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ArmChairCivvy wrote:give Russian President Vladimir Putin new opportunities to use gas as a tool of political coercion.
Well isn't that down to how the Germans behave. If they let themselves get too dependant on Russian gas they only have themselves to blame if Russia uses it as a means of dividing NATO. If Germany even hints that it is going to soften its stance on Russia for fear of reduced or cut of gas supplies the @#&t will hit the fan in Washington and many European Capitals with all eyes aimed at Germany.

In other words the rest of NATO is basically going to insist Germany disregards any effects on it national energy situation if Russia becomes aggressive towards the alliance and NATO decides to act, Germany included, even if it means Germany passing legislation to that effect.

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Lord Jim wrote: If they let themselves get too dependant on Russian gas they only have themselves to blame if Russia uses it as a means of dividing NATO
That is the primary impact, but it is not quite that simple as Germany would become a distribution hub, into the fairly integrated network of pipelines.

Belorus had an official plan to wean themselves off direct energy dependence and have 80% of the supplies from elsewhere, including transit thru Baltic countries (Kleipeda)
- it is not that simple, once an infrastructure is in place (and I don't think anything much happened wrt. that plan, in the couple of years since it was launched)
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A look at where Russia is with UGVs and other unmanned systems. They do seem to going for it in a big way though they seem to be developing platforms that rely on man in the loop control most of the time.

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Russia’s Project 09852 Special Mission Submarine ‘Belgorod’ Prepared For Sea Trials
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The Belgorod nuclear-powered special mission submarine of project 09852 is preparing to sail out for the first time. The submarine is one of the most ambitious Russian shipbuilding projects.
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According to H I Sutton, Belgorod will be one of the largest submarines in the world and will play a key role in building military infrastructure deep under the Arctic as well as carrying the new Poseidon Intercontinental Nuclear-Powered Nuclear-Armed Autonomous Torpedo. She was an unfinished OSCAR-II cruise missile submarine KC-139 which is being converted to serve as a Special Missions host submarine. she will be crewed by the Russian Navy but operated under GUGI, the secretive Main Directorate Deep Sea Research organization. In order to conduct covert special missions, it will carry a deep diving midget submarine, large payloads and the new KANYON (Status-6) strategic nuclear torpedo weapon. The project started in 2010, with the refit commencing in 2012, and she was finally launched on 23rd April 2019.
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xav wrote:The Belgorod nuclear-powered special mission submarine of project 09852 is preparing to sail out for the first time. The submarine is one of the most ambitious Russian shipbuilding projects.
So work on this monster has been going on for over 40 years, there is going to be an awful lot of obsolete parts involved. Surely something that big will be hard to conceal.

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You can be certain that US and UK SSNs are going to be sniffing around it as soon as it is possible. This sort of work has never stopped even after the Cold War ended it never really did in the world of the submarine.

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It is interesting to consider how a submarine that has a deep diving vessel that can potentially drop in on many of the sensitive undersea cables is countered , if the submarines of the current U.S and R.N cant achieve those depths do they also mount deep diving vessels to protect such cables

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Probably keep tabs on Mother and then go and investigate any cables in the area with our own DSVs when they have moved on. Just another "Grey" area of warfare we have to deal with, but mind you we did it to the USSR back in the day, recording all Northern fleet telephone conversation for quite a while. Now cutting a cable would most likely result in more assertive action on our part, like the Russian DSV having a collision with a 21" Torpedo on the way up if caught in the act, well one can hope.

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Stung by the Armenian President calling the Iskander useless the Russian MOD have uploaded some footage of it being used in Syria:



The large building targeted in the portion starting at the 42 second mark is Azaz hospital in northern Syria. The strike took place in February 2016 and murdered 14 civilians. It takes some gall to openly boast about clear war crimes.....



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-15/ ... ia/7170340

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Reiterated the point that on the "Europe" type of scene Iskanders can be v effective on Day One of any conflict, but after 'the military' has got on with its dispersal - fixed navy & air bases would still need defending - the main effect will be reducing civilian infra to rubble
- all planners are (presumably) aware that the same can be done in reverse
... does not apply in the above documented case, though. A different 'scene'.
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Russia Designs A New Class Of Ship: Universal Sea Complex ‘Varan’
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Nevskoe Bureau said Varan is distinguished by multirole structure (unified platform), which can produce several types of big surface warships, including an aircraft carrier, landing ship, hospital vessel, and even a support vessel for the Arctic ⚓️
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One of the pictures of the aircraft carriers looks as though it has a floodable stern well dock....

Would love to see a Russian carrier CGI/model turn into reality !

I think they should ask china to sell them back Liaoning & purchase the Shangdong, than let the Chinese get on with their CATOBAR carriers now they are gaining a lot of experience with deck landings & building carriers

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serge750 wrote:One of the pictures of the aircraft carriers looks as though it has a floodable stern well dock....

Would love to see a Russian carrier CGI/model turn into reality !

I think they should ask china to sell them back Liaoning & purchase the Shangdong, than let the Chinese get on with their CATOBAR carriers now they are gaining a lot of experience with deck landings & building carriers
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Here is a good introduction to lower level Russian Infantry units which should be of help when looking to what the British Army may need going forward. Long gone are the Soviet era large formations and an approach more akin to how western forces operate is now used.

The organisation of a Battalion based Battle Group is of particular interest, given the number of assets that are directly assigned to it. A full Artillery Battalion for example supporting a sing Infantry Battalion shown the emphasis Russia puts on this arm. The British Army would have its 81mm Mortars and hopefully a Battery in direct support. More may be available if a situation arose but then again so would more be available to the Russian Battalion. It does show how we need to integrate EW and UAV units down to this level as well as Air Defence, which will entail expanding the number of these types of units we have. Increased Engineering assets are also going to be needed.

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Lord Jim wrote:The British Army would have its 81mm Mortars and hopefully a Battery in direct support.
This is why for me we should move to 120mm Nemo mortar system within the 3rd division and 120mm Spear based JLTV mortar system within the 1st this would allow mortar fire to move from 5km with 81mm out to 10+km and able to protect forward cavalry units backed up by Artillery support groups with field guns , UAV & air defence units

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I fully agree with this: the engagement envelope will have to be modified (=stretched).

On a side note, have been doing the rounds with some folks, in the countries immediately bordering Russia, and the Russophobia is really blinding the views of where the threat is going (and what it is driven by).

E.g, I asserted that
a main threat is that because lacking/negative population growth is having a severe impact on the age cohorts becoming eligible for military service (and it is only the army that still has a reliance on conscripts), it is the professonalisation of Russian formations. especially the elite ones, and therefore the ability to 'go' from a standing start
- so the driver, and how they have responded in shaping their force structure, see
https://www.statista.com/statistics/100 ... -scenario/

AND one 'poor sole' - bless him and the site where they seem to agree - responded that in 2016 Rosstat said that deaths and births were finally in balance
... AND THAT it would be 'all growth from there' :shock:

Mortal syns
1. Believe Rosstat
- and they do not project, anyway [ which is the point for defence analysis]
2. Project yourself, when there are expert sources available (and they also spell out the assumptions, should one not believe that they/ some of them are not valid)

Well: sometimes hatred (based on some nations' historical experiences) can blind oneself to any objective analysis
- add to this the other commonly (across many nations) occurring form of blindness
= namely the blind faith in tech, and because of the cost of such tech, believing that pruning the numbers to pay for it, will make the spearhead sharper

EVEN the Neanderthals knew that a spearhead, without the spear to follow, was absolutely useless.
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Right, the latest (though I have been inclined to quote the WHO) is that

- Russia has reported the first fall in life expectancy since 2003 (a testimony to how well Putin's modernisation of the economy has worked)
- but even more relevant to understanding military power in the coming years, the population fell (by 0.8 mln) to 146

Rosstat says (despite the above, and despite the fact that there is no more 'return' immigration from the ex-Soviet Republics to patch up for the endogenous population dynamics) that in 2036 the number will be 150 mln
... I believe those who say 134-136 mln (of course it does not matter at all what I believe)

But the 10% difference is the make or break for the productivity in the economy (support ratios and all that...), but also the imperative for the techno-army, with fewer soldiers (so few in the age cohorts that hoovering away big numbers, just to fill the ranks for a year or two - without becoming fully effective) that will be all-Pro
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Ice Station Zebra!! SSBNs in the high north

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We better get some NTs onto the T-45s
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Any news on the release of the next Russian ship models? :mrgreen:

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Looking at this video, was Trump right to pull out of the INF treaty? I know that like all videos from this source there is a certain amount of playing up a systems good points, but the fact that the west doesn't have anything in this class, and at present lacks the ability to properly defend against it, or so it seems is a cause to worry. There is at least one Brigade of these based in their enclave between Poland and the Baltic States which puts many key locations within range. The only solution to tis I can see is to station GMLRS and/or HIMARS relatively close by, but the West is pretty obsessed about not antagonising Russia beyond words.

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Another video, this time showing the various types of Russian small arms ammunition, their performance and their manufacture. It is a pretty good video just for finding out about the performance of different ammunition types as well as how they are made regardless of the video being Russian. It is well worth a watch.

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The media are now reporting that the Russian Navy is gathering a number of Amphibious Landing platforms in the Black Sea as well as threatening to blockade the Ukrainian in the Sea of Azov and declare certain areas of the Black Sea as "No go areas" for foreign naval vessels. Ukraine fears a naval landing to seize access to fresh water resources to alleviate the shortage of water in the Crimea.

According to reports the UK's new Carrier Battle Group may detach a T-45 and T-23 to the Black Sea and delay its entrance into the Suez Canal, in order to show solidarity with Ukraine along with other nations and have the Carrier available if a further show of strength is necessary.

This was from Microsoft News: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/wo ... d=msedgntp

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Lord Jim wrote: Ukraine fears a naval landing to seize access to fresh water resources to alleviate the shortage of water in the Crimea.
A bit of a Hong Kong situation developing there.

And the Sea of Azov is not the only one with a controllable access point.
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Another interesting tit bit of a story, Russia is withdrawing from the International Space Station programme in 2025 and intends to build its own near earth orbit facility. This is big news in my opinion as Russia until recently, provided most of the infrastructure to transfer Astronauts and payloads to and from the ISS. But this will also be good news for the private US company that has recently begun launches to the ISS. Also will China join the Russian programme, removing any funding it currently put into the ISS programme? Will Russia militarise its Space Station at some point?
https://www.defenseworld.net/news/29382 ... IWrth-SmHs

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