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Tempest414 wrote:I am sure if the EU don't want our fish then China will and the EU know it
You do know China has it's own fishing fleet and it's heading our way fast?

Already pillaging stocks in the south and mid-Atlantic. At this rate it's going to be Chinese trawlers in the Channel rather than French or Spanish we need to worry about.

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yep however China already buy 80% of our brown crab we know they will buy it there need is so high

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RichardIC wrote:if anything our fishing fleet is going to shrink rather than expand
A sacrificial lamb? Sheep will be next
- are there still any of those boats which had some of their length sawn off? That regulation has gone overboard and may create some replacement demand
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Tempest414 wrote:On top of this HMG should be helping to fund the new fishing fleet as when we get to take back UK fishing grounds
And when is that going to be then? At the moment we're tied into fishing quotas with the EU until 2026. And after that there will be annual negotiations when EU fishing in UK waters could go up or down.

In the meantime UK fish exports to the continent have nosedived, so if anything our fishing fleet is going to shrink rather than expand.

To be honest there's absolutely no point in building up the UK fishing fleet until domestic demand for fish caught in UK waters increases hugely. We just don't eat enough herring and mackerel.
Are sure about that?

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/192 ... l-exports/

Hamish Macdonell, of the Scottish Salmon Producers Organisation, said that the export figures for Scottish salmon published by HMRC were off by 97 per cent, and claimed it would be impossible to understand the extent of the problems the industry has faced as a result of Brexit without accurate data.

He explained: "There is a real issue over the validity of the export stats which have been put out by HMRC. The figures for January are not just wrong, they are very very wrong.

“It is very difficult I think for you as the committee, and for anybody else really to assess the impact of Brexit, when we don't have a proper baseline of stats.”

Mr Macdonell said that around 5000 tonnes of Scottish Salmon was exported to Europe in January, however HMRC’s data “shows we only sent 80”. He said the Eurostat system, which records imports into the EU, shows 4700 tonnes of Scottish salmon being brought in.

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SW1 wrote:5000 tonnes of Scottish Salmon was exported to Europe in January
SW1 wrote:the EU, shows 4700 tonnes of Scottish salmon being brought in
That's a fair amount of "shrinkage" along the way
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SW1 wrote:Mr Macdonell said that around 5000 tonnes of Scottish Salmon was exported to Europe in January, however HMRC’s data “shows we only sent 80”. He said the Eurostat system, which records imports into the EU, shows 4700 tonnes of Scottish salmon being brought in.
But this is farmed salmon, we're talking about fish caught at sea.

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RichardIC wrote:
SW1 wrote:Mr Macdonell said that around 5000 tonnes of Scottish Salmon was exported to Europe in January, however HMRC’s data “shows we only sent 80”. He said the Eurostat system, which records imports into the EU, shows 4700 tonnes of Scottish salmon being brought in.
But this is farmed salmon, we're talking about fish caught at sea.
Well I think it’s shows there is a lot of rhetoric rather than fact floating about. Did also read that shelf fish exports had almost returned to normal after quite a dip in January. I think it will take a little while for things to settle out.

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Caribbean wrote:
SW1 wrote:5000 tonnes of Scottish Salmon was exported to Europe in January
SW1 wrote:the EU, shows 4700 tonnes of Scottish salmon being brought in
That's a fair amount of "shrinkage" along the way
Yeah one assumes it could be behind some of the stories about fish spoiling waiting for clearance at the border ect or just really bad tracking

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SW1 wrote:Mr Macdonell said that around 5000 tonnes of Scottish Salmon was exported to Europe in January, however HMRC’s data “shows we only sent 80”. He said the Eurostat system, which records imports into the EU, shows 4700 tonnes of Scottish salmon being brought in.
What a fine little mess...
RichardIC wrote:But this is farmed salmon, we're talking about fish caught at sea.
Reminds me of the story when farmed salmon from Norway was blocked out from the UK market and I got to eat lots of it, super cheap, as the quantities were being 'dumped' into Spain - sensible people there who appreciate all kinds of fish and other seafood
- the solution to the problem was also v straight-forward: the oil sheikhs from the North bought up :D Scottish fish farming
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written answers for the 25th May 2021. Probably just as fishy as the last few posts.

https://questions-statements.parliament ... 05-20/4612

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Is it just me or is the UK run by a bunch of Mugs who seem to be determined to follow all the rules when few other countries actually do?

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Not sure if this is correct place but just been for a cycle ride with the family past Appledore. Nowt going on inside as far as I could see across the river. I noticed opposite is an MOD site with 2 black landing craft, anyone tell me what this place is?

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A test of how serious the Government is about the National Ship Building Strategy.

First look at the BMT designs for Steamship Company's new passenger and cargo vessels

https://www.islesofscilly-travel.co.uk/ ... ack-v6.pdf

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State-of-the-art designs for the Isles of Scilly Steamship Company’s new passenger and cargo vessels designed by BMT are being revealed for the first time.

The striking new 72m passenger ferry will carry 600 passengers over three decks with a contemporary, comfortable seating arrangement, onboard coffee shop and retail area.

It will be capable of a speed of 18 knots, reducing journey time by 20%; anti-roll fins to improve the stability of the crossing; increased cargo capacity with the ability to carry chilled and frozen goods; improved access for passengers with reduced mobility, and a hybrid propulsion system to reduce emissions.

The 45m dedicated cargo ship to replace the Gry Maritha will have an increased cargo capacity, including more space for chilled and frozen goods; a crane which can lift eight tonnes and a comfortable lounge for up to 12 passengers.

The new inter-island launch will be capable of 12 knots, allowing for significantly faster journey times between St Mary’s and the off-islands; a 50% increase in cargo capacity and will have a reduced fuel consumption of 55%.

The next step will be entering discussions with shipyards on potential build programmes. The company has partnered with international shipbroker Blair Reid, which specialises in the sale and procurement of new ferries.

Blair Reid is currently in contact with 32 shipyards across the UK, Europe and the Far East to acquire Expressions of Interest and to identify potential build slots and build cost.

Stuart Reid, Chief Executive said:

“We have carried out an extensive consultation process and we have listened to what the Isles of Scilly community have identified as priorities in improving the service. Their needs have been at the forefront of the design process."

“We are proud of the proposals, which will ultimately enhance the excellent cargo and passenger services we operate today and serve generations of travellers for years to come.”

The design, in partnership with naval architects BMT, involved consultation with islanders and stakeholders last summer. It found resilience, reliability, journey time and affordability to be the most important factors for future services.

Ian Howard, Chairman said:

"We have taken a major step towards the future with the finalisation of these designs. Now we must select the right yard(s) to build these vessels and secure finance for them."

Kevin George, Director said: “Green technology is at the heart of the new designs; we aspire to minimise environmental impact at the earliest opportunity whilst ensuring the reliability and resilience of this vital lifeline service."

“In future, we want to have the ability to adapt and modify the chosen propulsion system to ensure we meet the Government’s target of decarbonisation of the marine sector by 2050 and to keep the vessels aligned with evolving environmentally friendly technology.”

Sylvain Julien, Director of Naval Architecture at BMT, said:

“BMT is committed to leading the way in designing vessels that reduce the environmental footprint, and we welcome the opportunity to work in partnership with ISSG and the island community to work towards enhanced operations and increased sustainability by leveraging our deep understanding of advanced ferry designs.”

https://www.bmt.org/news/2021/first-loo ... o-vessels/

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Maybe a variant could be the new Royal Yacht, sorry National Flagship? :D

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National Naval Flagship? We already have one of those! ……….. HMS VICTORY. :mrgreen:

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What about vehicles/lorries?

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Apparently, we're getting a refresh of the NSS after the Autumn spending review. Should hopefully answer a few T32, SSS, etc shaped questions. Apparently, it will make clear a 30 year pipeline of work for all vessels over 150 tons

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/nava ... -strategy/

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Launch of National Shipbuilding Office :-

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/defe ... ing-office

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https://www.harland-wolff.com/news/majo ... and-wolff/

Team Resolute

As reported in the press, Team Resolute has been down-selected by the Ministry of Defence for the Fleet Solid Support Programme and has been invited into the next phase of the programme – the Commercial Procurement Phase (CPP). Harland & Wolff is an integral part of Team Resolute and will be participating in the first stage, the design stage, within the CPP, alongside BMT and Navantia.

National Flagship

As the UK Government launched the National Shipbuilding Office earlier this week, an announcement was made that the Harland & Wolff led consortium that includes Foreship and SMC has been successfully down-selected for the design phase of the prestigious National Flagship Programme. The ship will be built in the UK with construction expected to begin as soon as next year.

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As I understand it, all 4 teams have been invited to CPP and given £5mn cash to develop their designs and proposals further. Team Resolute being one of them.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... mpetition/

I mention this because reading that statement it would give the impression that Team Resolute have won the bid

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280m you say? Hmm.... ;)

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The 'Building Dock' with Samson and Goliath is 556m x 93m with the intermediate gates removed.
There is also the 'Belfast Dock' as seen in the recent cgi video it is 335m x 50.29m

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The Dorset spirit getting ready to leave the dry dock as she is the same length as the qe class gives a got idea of scale

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SW1 wrote:is the same length as the qe class gives a got idea of scale
Pulling into Antwerp (or Oman) now will become secondary alternatives?
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