Jackal and Coyote MWMIK (Army)

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SW1 wrote: 08 Sep 2023, 21:01
well with 1000 soon to be in service we need to just get on and order 500 more plus say 600 LRV 400/600's to allow 3 x Light Brigades

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Electric drive does seem to have a lot of desirable features - a quiet mode being the most obvious. Until the issues of battery power-density are solved, however, I think we are looking at hybrids for the foreseeable future

That said, the ability to more accurately allocate power to each individual wheel (improving mobility), improved redundancy (lose an individual motor? You still have another 3), the greater simplicity of field modification (and probably routine maintenance) that @LJ notes are all independant of the battery issue and are defininite plusses
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Tempest414 wrote: 09 Sep 2023, 09:51 well with 1000 soon to be in service we need to just get on and order 500 more plus say 600 LRV 400/600's to allow 3 x Light Brigades
The modularity increases the air mobility. Perfect for the rapid reaction force including all the variants GMLRS, 105mm, 120mm mortar, Brimstone etc. Why procrastinate when the cost difference with the alternatives like Boxer is huge.

The MoD have found a platform that is proven, cost effective, adaptable and UK produced. Keep churning them out like sausages.

The LRV is good also but how does it compare to the Babcock GLV? Mixed procurement?

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Poiuytrewq wrote: 09 Sep 2023, 11:03
Tempest414 wrote: 09 Sep 2023, 09:51 well with 1000 soon to be in service we need to just get on and order 500 more plus say 600 LRV 400/600's to allow 3 x Light Brigades
The modularity increases the air mobility. Perfect for the rapid reaction force including all the variants GMLRS, 105mm, 120mm mortar, Brimstone etc. Why procrastinate when the cost difference with the alternatives like Boxer is huge.

The MoD have found a platform that is proven, cost effective, adaptable and UK produced. Keep churning them out like sausages.

The LRV is good also but how does it compare to the Babcock GLV? Mixed procurement?

I guess we will see this week when Babcock lets us see it

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Tempest414 wrote: 09 Sep 2023, 13:26 I guess we will see this week when Babcock lets us see it
Based on the Toyota Landcruiser 70 and assembled in the U.K.

Could be a solid option.

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Poiuytrewq wrote: 09 Sep 2023, 13:50
Tempest414 wrote: 09 Sep 2023, 13:26 I guess we will see this week when Babcock lets us see it
Based on the Toyota Landcruiser 70 and assembled in the U.K.

Could be a solid option.
LRV is based on a new Land Rover Discovery also built in the UK plus keeps Supercat busy another order for 500 HMT plus the follow on order for LRV would keep Supercat going for sometime

But yes GLV could also be a good option

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Tempest414 wrote: 09 Sep 2023, 14:01 LRV is based on a new Land Rover Discovery…
It can’t be a new Discovery?

They are all monocoque now.

Is it the Discovery 4 chassis? It was the last of the Landrover ladder chassis AFAIK?.

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Maybe but still based on a discovery with all that goes with that

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Little J wrote: 08 Sep 2023, 22:42 Was thinking (dangerous I know)...

Does anybody remember the AWD MTL 33 Multidrive artic from the late 80's / early 90's? It was a four wheeler tractor unit with a 4 wheel trailer, the trailer wheels where drive by a prop shaft from the tractor unit, making it all wheel drive.

If Supacat does an electric drive version of the HMT, they could also make an (electrically) driven trailer. Conversion from 4x4 to 6x6 would be easier, just "plug-in" the extra axle. Need a trailer? Plug that in too, instant extra mobility... Thoughts?
Yes, that is one potential aspect of electric drive motors.

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HMT Mk2 with Elbit swing 120mm mortar

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Could be an interesting solution for Paras and RMs.
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sol wrote: 13 Sep 2023, 10:16 HMT Mk2 with Elbit swing 120mm mortar

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Could be an interesting solution for Paras and RMs.
Also good to see the RWS mount fitted with a 12.7 mm & Javelin
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Tempest414 wrote: 13 Sep 2023, 13:45
sol wrote: 13 Sep 2023, 10:16 HMT Mk2 with Elbit swing 120mm mortar

Could be an interesting solution for Paras and RMs.
Also good to see the RWS mount fitted with a 12.7 mm & Javelin
All going in the right direction but why not make the payloads modular to ensure they are airmobile?

This is the way to cost effectively get the mass into the rapid expeditionary forces.

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Soldiers have taken to the skies of Shropshire to be ready to respond to crises around the world.

1st Battalion The Royal Irish Regiment (1 R IRISH) worked with an RAF A400M transport aircraft at RAF Shawbury to develop their airlanding skills. Troops loaded and secured Land Rovers and Jackal patrol vehicles on the aircraft, and then took flight to practise getting off the aircraft and into the fight as fast as possible.

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1 February 2024 – Babcock International Group (Babcock), the defence company and Supacat, a defence vehicle engineering company have officially launched production of 70 High Mobility Transporter (HMT) Jackal 3s for the British Army.

An innovative manufacturing facility at Babcock’s Devonport site has been specially developed for this purpose and will produce 62 of the vehicles, with the remaining eight to be built at Supacat’s manufacturing facilities in Dunkeswell. Production of the new vehicles is planned to be completed by the summer of 2024.

The project is one of the first contracts to deliver on the UK’s Land Industrial Strategy. Close working relationships between Babcock, Supacat the British Army and the Ministry of Defence’s (MOD), Defence Equipment & Support (DE&S) Team have ensured that the operational and safety requirements of the vehicle are fully met.

In tribute to both the British Army and the Royal Navy, the new South West production facility has been named ‘The Raglan Building’ in recognition of the nearby Raglan Barracks which supported British soldiers on their way to overseas operations in the 1800s
The facility is future-proofed and is ready for subsequent build programmes. Transformational innovation and technology have been optimised throughout the production line and includes the use of bespoke ‘Pulse’ software which maximises efficiency during vehicle assembly. It is anticipated that the advantages of being located in the South Devon Freeport will benefit the future through-put of this production facility for years to come.

The Jackal 3 benefits from over a decade of development by Supacat for the UK and overseas customers since the last iteration of Jackal was delivered to the British Army. It has a number of enhancements to support operational requirements, including improved protection for the crew and an increased Gross Vehicle Mass for greater load carrying.

The Jackal 2 was a class-leader off-road, however the new suspension in the Jackal 3 will deliver even better off-road performance. Whilst being procured as a 4×4 vehicle, the Jackal 3 can be readily transformed into a 6-wheel drive vehicle which more than doubles its load carrying capacity.

This programme is directly contributing to the economic potential of the South West with nearly all of the programme’s supply chain sourced in the UK and 50 percent specifically from the region. Through a dedicated social value plan, the contract has already created over 100 new jobs across both Babcock and Supacat’s respective sites. Part of this programme also includes an ongoing focus on skills development and enhancing the capability of the workforce, supporting the development of transferable skill sets.

Major General Darren Crook CBE, Director for the Land Equipment Operating Centre at DE&S said:

“This Supacat and Babcock collaboration will deliver modern fighting vehicles for the British Armed Forces and our allies, whilst developing and maintaining key land defence engineering skills in a much valued part of the South West of England. It is tangible evidence of the British Army’s Land Industrial Strategy and our purpose for Defence: ‘to protect the nation and help it prosper.”

David Lockwood, CEO Babcock said:

“At this time of global instability, the significance to the British Army of delivering the HMT Jackal 3 vehicle should not be understated. These Jackals will help keep the UK safe, whilst our technologically advanced production facility will support social value and economic prosperity in the region for years to come.”

Nick Ames, CEO Supacat said:

“As an SME based in South West England, it is an enormous privilege to have our product selected yet again by the British Army. The Jackal 3 is the product of 25 years of specific development and 45 years of corporate development. Every member of our staff takes enormous pride in the quality of the product that provides our soldiers with a leading-edge battle proven platform that they can rely on. That pride in quality also led us to our production partner for this project, Babcock. Our teams have worked, together with the MoD, tirelessly to a challenging timescale and with enabling technology, to support this procurement and we will continue to do so into the future to provide world class product to the British Army.”

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new suspension and a windscreen?

not complaining, i like the vehicle, just curious if that is what constitutes the difference this 3rd gen brings...

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"improved protection for the crew and an increased Gross Vehicle Mass for greater load carrying" seem significant as well
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Needs a frikkin roof. Sending these to eastern Europe in winter is beyond ridiculous.

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Now there's an opportunity - aftermarket Targa tops for Jackal
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Caribbean wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 14:58 Now there's an opportunity - aftermarket Targa tops for Jackal
Well at least they added windscreens this time around, must be getting soft :D

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Ron5 wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 13:15 Needs a frikkin roof. Sending these to eastern Europe in winter is beyond ridiculous.
Theoretically we could fit a proper cab on it as it is part of the HMT platform, but Denmark, Norway, Czech, and Estonia all operate open top Jackals.
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Military forces in Scandinavia seem to use snowmobiles in the winter without a roof.

Mind you if they are going east I think they have painted it the wrong colour!

A cab version has been around for a while I guess they didn’t want to spend money on it just like the other variants but then I guess if you started down that route they may have to use it for the protected vehicle program and we wouldn’t want to do that now would we.

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https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/land ... mpaign=RSS

Supacat will unveil a closed cab version of its Jackal 3 High Mobility Transport (HMT) vehicle at Defence Vehicle Dynamics in mid-September 2024 and will also unveil a concept for an 8x8 vehicle using HMT technology.

Supacat CEO Nick Ames, speaking to Shephard at the unveiling of the Jackal 3 HMT on 1 February in Plymouth, UK, noted that the company was looking to highlight the ability of the Jackal platform to carry a range of weapons and the modular nature to meet different roles.
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SW1 wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 21:02 https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/land ... mpaign=RSS

Supacat will unveil a closed cab version of its Jackal 3 High Mobility Transport (HMT) vehicle at Defence Vehicle Dynamics in mid-September 2024 and will also unveil a concept for an 8x8 vehicle using HMT technology.

Supacat CEO Nick Ames, speaking to Shephard at the unveiling of the Jackal 3 HMT on 1 February in Plymouth, UK, noted that the company was looking to highlight the ability of the Jackal platform to carry a range of weapons and the modular nature to meet different roles.
will surely just be the same or similar to the HMT cab we have seen before.

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https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/land ... new-types/

The Jackal 3, the latest version of the vehicle in service with the British Army, may be heavier but it has improved capability and ergonomics.

Supacat pushes Jackal base for different vehicle types and develops new variants Supacat pushes Jackal base for different vehicle types and develops new variants
Supacat will unveil a closed cab version of its Jackal 3 High Mobility Transport (HMT) vehicle at Defence Vehicle Dynamics in mid-September 2024 and will also unveil a concept for an 8x8 vehicle using HMT technology.

Supacat CEO Nick Ames, speaking to Shephard at the unveiling of the Jackal 3 HMT on 1 February in Plymouth, UK, noted that the company was looking to highlight the ability of the Jackal platform to carry a range of weapons and the modular nature to meet different roles.

“At Defence iQ’s International Armoured Vehicle [in January] we had an Elbit mortar on the back of a Jackal,” Ames said. “But, to be honest, we were demonstrating the capability of the platform and that you can integrate a range of weapons. At DSEI 2019 we had the Rheinmetall mortar on the back.



“Brimstone missiles on the Jackal is an interesting concept and as a business we have looked at what the art of the possible is. I think we consider that there is some possibility there.”

Babcock International and Supacat have been building 70 Jackal 3 vehicles for the British Army with eight being built at Supacat’s Dunkeswell facility and the remainder at a new production line at Babcock’s Plymouth site.

Two of the Dunkeswell eight have been completed, with the reasoning behind the smaller number of vehicles being produced at Supacat’s site being that it places the development programme right next to the engineers and allows any problems to be quickly solved.

Additionally, it would allow Supacat to retain qualified personnel on its site and enable a balancing of skills, knowledge and resources in the long term. It will also support the UK Government’s Land Industrial Strategy (LIS), which has been attempting to encourage large manufacturers such as Babcock to work with small and medium enterprises such as Supacat.


The new Jackal has been designed to be bigger, safer and more comfortable.

Ames said Supacat had its sights set firmly on the UK’s Land Mobility Programme (LMP) to replace more than a dozen vehicle types in service with the British Army, a programme which is yet to define the three types of light utility, light protected and medium protected vehicle.

“Supacat fits in LMP but some of the thinking is about what is medium and what is light,” Ames remarked. “We are trying to work out how that balance is going to go.

“In an environment where the LIS is looking to reduce the number of chassis types in service, we think the Jackal chassis type is something they should be really able to focus down on. It is our responsibility to make sure the Army understands quite how modular the platform is.”

Ames noted that it was natural for the Jackal to be viewed as an open-top vehicle with a weapon ring on the back, adding that while he understood that point, the “underlying running gear is very versatile”.

“The Jackal could fit all three types, and the scope of Jackal to fit into any of those is strong, so we must show that,” he concluded.
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