JAPAN / 日本

[Smokey]

he won’t be going to the royal wedding then.

[xav]

Japan Considering JSM & LRASM Next Gen Anti-Ship Missile Procurement

According to a report by Fuji News Network (FNN)'s "Fuji TV" which aired today, the Japan Self-Defense Forces (自衛隊 Jieitai or JSDF) is considering the procurement of JASSM-ER (Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile - Extended Range) long-range air-to-ground, precision standoff missiles as well as Joint Strike Missile (JSM) and LRASM (Long Range Anti Ship Missile) next generation anti-ship missiles.

While the procurement of Kongsberg's JSM was previously mentionned in the Japanese press (Yomiuri newspaper first mentionned it in June this year), it is the first time that LRASM is mentionned. LRASM just entered mass production this summer and it is unlikely to be available for export any time soon. The missiles would be intended to be fitted on the Japan Air Self-Defense Force (JASDF) F-15J and F-2 fighters. Japan is set to mass produce its own next gen anti-ship missile, the XASM-3, next year. But XASM-3 has a shorter range compared to JSM and LRASM and lacks land attack capability.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... ement.html

[Ares]

Japan Considering JSM & LRASM Next Gen Anti-Ship Missile Procurement

According to a report by Fuji News Network (FNN)'s "Fuji TV" which aired today, the Japan Self-Defense Forces (自衛隊 Jieitai or JSDF) is considering the procurement of JASSM-ER (Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile - Extended Range) long-range air-to-ground, precision standoff missiles as well as Joint Strike Missile (JSM) and LRASM (Long Range Anti Ship Missile) next generation anti-ship missiles.

While the procurement of Kongsberg's JSM was previously mentionned in the Japanese press (Yomiuri newspaper first mentionned it in June this year), it is the first time that LRASM is mentionned. LRASM just entered mass production this summer and it is unlikely to be available for export any time soon. The missiles would be intended to be fitted on the Japan Air Self-Defense Force (JASDF) F-15J and F-2 fighters. Japan is set to mass produce its own next gen anti-ship missile, the XASM-3, next year. But XASM-3 has a shorter range compared to JSM and LRASM and lacks land attack capability.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... ement.html

Defense minister confirmed to purchase of JSM from Norway. LRASM and JASSM-ER will be purchased after further upgrade of F-15J 改 fleets.

http://www.mod.go.jp/j/press/kisha/2017/12/08.html


Fi-fucking-nally, we are having some serious stuff.

[xav]

Japan Considering JSM & LRASM Next Gen Anti-Ship Missile Procurement

According to a report by Fuji News Network (FNN)'s "Fuji TV" which aired today, the Japan Self-Defense Forces (自衛隊 Jieitai or JSDF) is considering the procurement of JASSM-ER (Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile - Extended Range) long-range air-to-ground, precision standoff missiles as well as Joint Strike Missile (JSM) and LRASM (Long Range Anti Ship Missile) next generation anti-ship missiles.

While the procurement of Kongsberg's JSM was previously mentionned in the Japanese press (Yomiuri newspaper first mentionned it in June this year), it is the first time that LRASM is mentionned. LRASM just entered mass production this summer and it is unlikely to be available for export any time soon. The missiles would be intended to be fitted on the Japan Air Self-Defense Force (JASDF) F-15J and F-2 fighters. Japan is set to mass produce its own next gen anti-ship missile, the XASM-3, next year. But XASM-3 has a shorter range compared to JSM and LRASM and lacks land attack capability.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... ement.html

Defense minister confirmed to purchase of JSM from Norway. LRASM and JASSM-ER will be purchased after further upgrade of F-15J 改 fleets.

http://www.mod.go.jp/j/press/kisha/2017/12/08.html


Fi-fucking-nally, we are having some serious stuff.

Wow

Q: Although related, how are you analyzing the maximum range of each missile?

A: If the range of the missile is to clarify this, it will expose the specific defense capability of our country, so this has been traditionally forbidden from responding, but that If you dare say above, according to published materials like Jane's Yearbook, we are aware that JSM is about 500 km, JASSM about 900 km, LRASM about 900 km. This is merely a published information base, it does not indicate the actual range range when the SDF introduces it.

Official lockheed figure for LRASM is "greater than 200 nm (370 Km)" ... but according to this, LRASM would have a similar range to JASSMER ? First time I see this.

[R686]

Japan to purchase 2x Aegis shore based middle defence systems to counter Chinese and Nort Korea threat.


https://www.defensenews.com/land/2017/1 ... e-systems/

Apprantly cheaper option than THAAD system

[abc123]

Japan to purchase 2x Aegis shore based middle defence systems to counter Chinese and Nort Korea threat.


https://www.defensenews.com/land/2017/1 ... e-systems/

Apprantly cheaper option than THAAD system

Why have they waited for last 10 years to do this?

[Halidon]

Japan to purchase 2x Aegis shore based middle defence systems to counter Chinese and Nort Korea threat.


https://www.defensenews.com/land/2017/1 ... e-systems/

Apprantly cheaper option than THAAD system

Why have they waited for last 10 years to do this?

Aegis Ashore wasn't available in this way 10 years ago, they're purchasing an off-the-shelf system not joining a development program.

[abc123]

Japan to purchase 2x Aegis shore based middle defence systems to counter Chinese and Nort Korea threat.


https://www.defensenews.com/land/2017/1 ... e-systems/

Apprantly cheaper option than THAAD system

Why have they waited for last 10 years to do this?

Aegis Ashore wasn't available in this way 10 years ago, they're purchasing an off-the-shelf system not joining a development program.

Well, they could at least have the ground infrastructure allready in place, even if missiles aren't there yet.

[R686]

Well, they could at least have the ground infrastructure allready in place, even if missiles aren't there yet.

you lost me on this one, are you saying they should have developed the Aegis Ashore system along with the Americans?

[abc123]

Well, they could at least have the ground infrastructure allready in place, even if missiles aren't there yet.

you lost me on this one, are you saying they should have developed the Aegis Ashore system along with the Americans?

Yes, and also I wanted to say that AFAIK the main problem was development of missiles. The rest, radars, VLS, buildings, locations etc. could be built long time ago and wait that missiles are finished.

[Ares]

Well, they could at least have the ground infrastructure allready in place, even if missiles aren't there yet.

you lost me on this one, are you saying they should have developed the Aegis Ashore system along with the Americans?

Yes, and also I wanted to say that AFAIK the main problem was development of missiles. The rest, radars, VLS, buildings, locations etc. could be built long time ago and wait that missiles are finished.

We had not decided whether to deploy THAAD or Aegis Ashore till 2017, and Aegis Ashore was quite new to us back in 10 years ago.

[abc123]

Well, they could at least have the ground infrastructure allready in place, even if missiles aren't there yet.

you lost me on this one, are you saying they should have developed the Aegis Ashore system along with the Americans?

Yes, and also I wanted to say that AFAIK the main problem was development of missiles. The rest, radars, VLS, buildings, locations etc. could be built long time ago and wait that missiles are finished.

We had not decided whether to deploy THAAD or Aegis Ashore till 2017, and Aegis Ashore was quite new to us back in 10 years ago.

Why not both? It's not that your own a** is in danger...

[R686]

Well, they could at least have the ground infrastructure allready in place, even if missiles aren't there yet.

you lost me on this one, are you saying they should have developed the Aegis Ashore system along with the Americans?

Yes, and also I wanted to say that AFAIK the main problem was development of missiles. The rest, radars, VLS, buildings, locations etc. could be built long time ago and wait that missiles are finished.

We had not decided whether to deploy THAAD or Aegis Ashore till 2017, and Aegis Ashore was quite new to us back in 10 years ago.

Why not both? It's not that your own a** is in danger...

Why would they want to support both systems?
Also they would have a very good understanding on Aegis from operating the system at sea for a number of years and as the original article implied it was a cheaper alternative to THAAD

[Ares]

The government plans to buy F-35Bs and turn Izumo class helicopter destroyer into the aircraft carrier.

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=2017 ... 61-yom-pol

Oh wow, we are really rearming this time.

[R686]

The government plans to buy F-35Bs and turn Izumo class helicopter destroyer into the aircraft carrier.

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=2017 ... 61-yom-pol

Oh wow, we are really rearming this time.

Do you have an English translation or link?

found one

https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2017 ... riers.html

[SKB]

Their decks will need heat protection and perhaps ski-jump ramps fitted.

[R686]

Their decks will need heat protection and perhaps ski-jump ramps fitted.

The sources said F-35Bs can also be operated even from the existing helicopter carriers once modifications are made to the bow, deck and other areas of the ships. Such destroyers, modified or newly built, will then be used as small-scale aircraft carriers.

its interesting the say either mod or new build, I would not be surprised they opt for new build to take advantage of bigger bunkerage for both ships fuel and additional jet fuel also to maximise EO magazines.

Still rather see them go bigger with cat'n traps to maximise the enabler capacity, but understand the rational in using the B's for there short take-off needs

[abc123]

Here:

http://idrw.org/potential-defense-shift ... ese-media/


IMHO, Izumo would be something like Italian Cavour-class carrier, meaning not something that Japanese neighbours needs to be worried. Much more important is B-version ability to use short runways.

[abc123]

Well, they could at least have the ground infrastructure allready in place, even if missiles aren't there yet.

you lost me on this one, are you saying they should have developed the Aegis Ashore system along with the Americans?

Yes, and also I wanted to say that AFAIK the main problem was development of missiles. The rest, radars, VLS, buildings, locations etc. could be built long time ago and wait that missiles are finished.

We had not decided whether to deploy THAAD or Aegis Ashore till 2017, and Aegis Ashore was quite new to us back in 10 years ago.

Why not both? It's not that your own a** is in danger...

Why would they want to support both systems?
Also they would have a very good understanding on Aegis from operating the system at sea for a number of years and as the original article implied it was a cheaper alternative to THAAD

Because it would be ready for deployment 10 years ago. Yes, Aegis is cheaper and they do know how to operate them, but security has no price.

[inch]

like I said a few days ago Japanese military people visiting hmsqe carrier in the uk and this was why they wanted too look around her ,I don't think they have any chance of them purchasing the class but,hopefully they looked round really liked what they saw ,just perfect built design for the f35b if they get them ,make sense if we going to be best buddys growing defence agreements with japan now lol, hay and beefing up their options for countering n korea but in reality them buying a few f35b makes sense not sure if getting a qe class carrier might rock the boat so too speak in the japan/china relationship but be fantastic for a uk design to be exported around the world again

[Jake1992]

like I said a few days ago Japanese military people visiting hmsqe carrier in the uk and this was why they wanted too look around her ,I don't think they have any chance of them purchasing the class but,hopefully they looked round really liked what they saw ,just perfect built design for the f35b if they get them ,make sense if we going to be best buddys growing defence agreements with japan now lol, hay and beefing up their options for countering n korea but in reality them buying a few f35b makes sense not sure if getting a qe class carrier might rock the boat so too speak in the japan/china relationship but be fantastic for a uk design to be exported around the world again

I can't see Japan buying or building a QE carrier not with the constitution how it is right now, at most I could see them being able to push a 40,000tn odd version as still being self defence of the out islands but not a 70,000tn super carrier that can operate up 70 odd aircraft.

The other question is would Japan build a forgian design or go for home grown ?
What I can see more likely to happen is that they modify the 2 current Izumo class for F35b use and then over the next decade or so evolve that design in to a 35,000-40,000tn carrier design to operate the F35b from the off.
That is unless they change the constitution to allow power projection capablity

[bobp]

The sale of a few f35b to Japan and Korea would be good for the UK , possibly opening up opportunities for them to be flown of the QE class in exercises, in addition to the benefits in producing parts here in the UK.

[inch]

Your Right bobp other countries operating from queen Liz class ,they having first hand experience from them and then they wanting a Queen Liz class ship themselves lol ,yep thinking and a good plan lol

[serge750]

If they do decide to buy the F35B with the A model, I think they will initially use it on the izumo class much like the RN used seaharriers on the Invicible class, ie 4-5 for self defence so "not to rock the boat" in the region as it were, -no pun intended- although maybe in the long term 2030's? I'm sure they may have a dedicated F35b carrier...

[abc123]

IMHO, far more important use of their F-35B is on smaller Ryu Kyu islands, with airstrips that are not so long as in major airbases, and after major airbases are destroyed/damaged by Chinese ballistic missiles. On Izumo class, they can be not much more than lightning rod for Chinese ( and South Korean ) propaganda about evil Japan returning to their old imperialist ways.