http://www.janes.com/article/74044/dsei ... retirement
A little bit of reason...
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So, a thread for all future RN surface ship-launched ( Sub-Harpoons are retired long ago
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Indeed.dmereifield wrote:Some good news for a change....
Heh, at this point it I'd be pretty surprised if the long-term Harpoon replacement is settled by 2020-ish. But "interim" solutions sometimes end up sticking around a long time and this would place the RN in good position to tack orders onto a program like LRASM.Aethulwulf wrote:I suspect the RN will try to keep them in service long enough until it is clear which system the US is going to pick to their replace their Harpoons.
In theory yes, but Perseus is little more than a research effort at the moment (one that I hope would continue) and isn't planned to deliver anything until 2030. But its worth remembering that LRASM won't deliver what we want until 2025 at the earliest either. Given that Harpoon 1C isn't seen as that credible at the moment it would make sense to take the easy course of action and purchase a very limited number of Harpoon II to see us through the 10 year (at best gap). Given the timings and the benefit to the UK I'm no longer in favour of an LRASM buy.Ron5 wrote:It will be an MBDA missile. Isn't that what the complex weapons deal is all about?
Settled yes, but not introduced. In the meanwhile we can give Spear(3) the JSM treatment, i.e. a VLS version?Halidon wrote:settled by 2020-ish.
I can't see the money being available for anything but maintaining existing capability of T45 in terms of AAW. If we are also looking at the escort fleet literally being that, escorts in a Carrier Battle Group, I think I'd want the limited numbers of T45 to stick to AAW. Look to BMD if cash can be scrapped together for any improvements.Repulse wrote:Interesting that the article explicitly mentioned the T23, not the T45 (maybe behind the paywall?). Makes sense not to spend the cash on the T23 if all efforts are focused on getting rid of them, but unless the RN is sticking to its single role AAW/ASW ship (that's gotta change?) then maybe the T45s will get the MK41 VLS?
What did it cost? A lower T31e budget or a few F35Bs...james k wrote:The RN managed to get something past the accountants at the Treasury? I'm both surprised and pleased. That doesn't happen often.
May be someone just noted down the expiry dates and they go out in that order? I.e cost nothingRepulse wrote:What did it cost?
If it's just a funding extending support contracts and any training then chances are come from within the RN delegated budget. Maybe they ran a sponsored bake at NCHQ.james k wrote:The RN managed to get something past the accountants at the Treasury? I'm both surprised and pleased. That doesn't happen often.
Repulse wrote:What did it cost? A lower T31e budget or a few F35Bs...james k wrote:The RN managed to get something past the accountants at the Treasury? I'm both surprised and pleased. That doesn't happen often.
Don't think so. Still a few years away.ArmChairCivvy wrote:Sea Venom has only just been accepted; a few years' bridge to building up sufficient stock?
IOC 2019Ron5 wrote:Don't think so. Still a few years away.ArmChairCivvy wrote:Sea Venom has only just been accepted; a few years' bridge to building up sufficient stock?
I was commenting on your assertion that Sea Venom had been accepted into service. I don't think it has.ArmChairCivvy wrote:IOC 2019Ron5 wrote:Don't think so. Still a few years away.ArmChairCivvy wrote:Sea Venom has only just been accepted; a few years' bridge to building up sufficient stock?
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senior RN sources told Jane’s the sea-skimming GWS 60/Harpoon Block 1C missiles would remain in service at least until 2020. “There is work ongoing to look at options for longer extension "
= is that longer extension (option; at what extra cost) just for insurance?
A year in between the two dates sounds like building a reasonable stockpile, rather than just having a couple for show