AAD... we were led to believe that it was that from the very beginningBlueD954 wrote:receive and disseminate radar plot and strobe data
- does not seem to cost much, though
AAD... we were led to believe that it was that from the very beginningBlueD954 wrote:receive and disseminate radar plot and strobe data
No but needed?ArmChairCivvy wrote:AAD... we were led to believe that it was that from the very beginningBlueD954 wrote:receive and disseminate radar plot and strobe data
- does not seem to cost much, though
America is interested in furthering American business they just dress it up well.dmereifield wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023, 22:20 Allowing the F16s doesn't prevent Argentina from facilitating China indefinitely...at best, it might postpone it a little
Of courseSW1 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023, 22:48America is interested in furthering American business they just dress it up well.dmereifield wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023, 22:20 Allowing the F16s doesn't prevent Argentina from facilitating China indefinitely...at best, it might postpone it a little
Chinese influence is steadily increasing on every continent and will continue in 2023 unabated.dmereifield wrote: ↑09 Jan 2023, 07:59Of courseSW1 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023, 22:48America is interested in furthering American business they just dress it up well.dmereifield wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023, 22:20 Allowing the F16s doesn't prevent Argentina from facilitating China indefinitely...at best, it might postpone it a little
Trent should have been available but is still in Gibdock?
True, but USCG are usually the prosecuting authorities on that, in that we would normally transfer any smugglers into their custody at the first opportunity, so they are happy to pick up the slack whenever one of the other navies leaves a gap.
Yeah maybe they are happy with that and they have primacy as prosecutors but as we have crown dependencies and the trafficking in narcotics, people, even weapons, piracy is all the classic destroyers of the economy and confidence in governments, often seen as the traditional martime security we once considered the navy’s central mission for control of the sea. It’s really requires a ship with good sensors, a helicopter, small boats and a detachment of Royal Marines to do properly I would at least place it at a higher priority than having two rivers in the pacific but that is probably just me.Caribbean wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023, 21:51True, but USCG are usually the prosecuting authorities on that, in that we would normally transfer any smugglers into their custody at the first opportunity, so they are happy to pick up the slack whenever one of the other navies leaves a gap.
As for the East-West traffic - I won't go into the details of what happens out there, but the USCG are definitely involved in policing that.
That why I have noted my desire to see a ship roughly midway bewtwwen the size of Rb2 and T31 - i.e. around 105-110m long with a flight deck able to land a Chinook and hangar able to hold Wildvat plus UAV. Add a crane for loading/unloading containers even where no formal dock, able to deploy several fast boats / RIB I don't care whether you would call such a such a Light Frigate, Patrol Frigate, Sloop, Corvette, Oceanic Patrol Vessel etc.SW1 wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023, 22:02Yeah maybe they are happy with that and they have primacy as prosecutors but as we have crown dependencies and the trafficking in narcotics, people, even weapons, piracy is all the classic destroyers of the economy and confidence in governments, often seen as the traditional martime security we once considered the navy’s central mission for control of the sea. It’s really requires a ship with good sensors, a helicopter, small boats and a detachment of Royal Marines to do properly I would at least place it at a higher priority than having two rivers in the pacific but that is probably just me.Caribbean wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023, 21:51True, but USCG are usually the prosecuting authorities on that, in that we would normally transfer any smugglers into their custody at the first opportunity, so they are happy to pick up the slack whenever one of the other navies leaves a gap.
As for the East-West traffic - I won't go into the details of what happens out there, but the USCG are definitely involved in policing that.
RB1 + UAV would be the most cost effective stop gap. We need to stop thinking about 40,000t RFAs as patrol ships. If it was Hurricane season then there is an argument for a Bay / Argus, but it’s not.Tempest414 wrote: ↑12 Feb 2023, 11:04 An RB1 has covered the task in the past send one of those give it a Puma UAV for better search and track or send a Tide Class tanker with a helicopter
Yeah the vessel your looking for there is a type 31.wargame_insomniac wrote: ↑12 Feb 2023, 15:13That why I have noted my desire to see a ship roughly midway bewtwwen the size of Rb2 and T31 - i.e. around 105-110m long with a flight deck able to land a Chinook and hangar able to hold Wildvat plus UAV. Add a crane for loading/unloading containers even where no formal dock, able to deploy several fast boats / RIB I don't care whether you would call such a such a Light Frigate, Patrol Frigate, Sloop, Corvette, Oceanic Patrol Vessel etc.SW1 wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023, 22:02Yeah maybe they are happy with that and they have primacy as prosecutors but as we have crown dependencies and the trafficking in narcotics, people, even weapons, piracy is all the classic destroyers of the economy and confidence in governments, often seen as the traditional martime security we once considered the navy’s central mission for control of the sea. It’s really requires a ship with good sensors, a helicopter, small boats and a detachment of Royal Marines to do properly I would at least place it at a higher priority than having two rivers in the pacific but that is probably just me.Caribbean wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023, 21:51True, but USCG are usually the prosecuting authorities on that, in that we would normally transfer any smugglers into their custody at the first opportunity, so they are happy to pick up the slack whenever one of the other navies leaves a gap.
As for the East-West traffic - I won't go into the details of what happens out there, but the USCG are definitely involved in policing that.
I would like one of these plus one or two smaller OPV for more coastal waters to serve in each of the RN area. e.g. Falklands + South Atlantic, Carribean + western North Atlantic, Med etc
No it’s not - it’s something that can be done with something half the price to build and run, half the number of crew and able to operate in shallower waters.
No. You were nt reading what I had written. The T31 is a 140m long 6,000t Frigate and needs to be uparmed to be a proper frigate, as I have suggested many times in the T31 and General Escort threads.SW1 wrote: ↑12 Feb 2023, 16:26Yeah the vessel your looking for there is a type 31.wargame_insomniac wrote: ↑12 Feb 2023, 15:13That why I have noted my desire to see a ship roughly midway bewtwwen the size of Rb2 and T31 - i.e. around 105-110m long with a flight deck able to land a Chinook and hangar able to hold Wildvat plus UAV. Add a crane for loading/unloading containers even where no formal dock, able to deploy several fast boats / RIB I don't care whether you would call such a such a Light Frigate, Patrol Frigate, Sloop, Corvette, Oceanic Patrol Vessel etc.SW1 wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023, 22:02Yeah maybe they are happy with that and they have primacy as prosecutors but as we have crown dependencies and the trafficking in narcotics, people, even weapons, piracy is all the classic destroyers of the economy and confidence in governments, often seen as the traditional martime security we once considered the navy’s central mission for control of the sea. It’s really requires a ship with good sensors, a helicopter, small boats and a detachment of Royal Marines to do properly I would at least place it at a higher priority than having two rivers in the pacific but that is probably just me.Caribbean wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023, 21:51True, but USCG are usually the prosecuting authorities on that, in that we would normally transfer any smugglers into their custody at the first opportunity, so they are happy to pick up the slack whenever one of the other navies leaves a gap.
As for the East-West traffic - I won't go into the details of what happens out there, but the USCG are definitely involved in policing that.
I would like one of these plus one or two smaller OPV for more coastal waters to serve in each of the RN area. e.g. Falklands + South Atlantic, Carribean + western North Atlantic, Med etc