mrclark303 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2023, 13:02
new guy wrote: ↑22 Aug 2023, 09:34
mrclark303 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2023, 08:04
SW1 wrote: ↑21 Aug 2023, 22:43
Hopefully the Japanese stick to there guns and make sure Saudi are no where near it.
Well, we certainly don't want to risk making it a commercial success SW1, so best keep the nasty Saudi's out....
Come to think about it, the Japanese were unfathomably cruel during the war and the Italians were on their side!!!!!
Best keep Japan and Italy out too.....
But hang on, let's not forget the slave trade and British empire, best just cancel it, looks like no one passes your moral values tests unfortunately.
Stop bullshiting, people are dying right now as due to Saudi Arabia's lack of human rights.
I don't think it takes a lot to pass the moral bar of slavery. apparently you find that a very high bar.
Oh grow up, your woke mindset will pile our economy into the ground.....
We've been selling the Saudis aircraft and weapon systems successfully for many decades, what's different now??
I am no Idiot who thinks the world, the UK, or the UK right now is cooky cutter shaped.
I have no desire to get into an Ideology debate with you.
So let me put it this way. It is likely that labour will be the next government, with or without a coalition with the liberal democrats.
The Italian prime-minister Giorgia Meloni is trying to play a more moderate role in-order to capture a larger voter base, rather than appeal to the more radicalise in her party, or indeed her young self. such can be seen with the support of Ukraine rather than the neutrality that some in her party would have preferred.
Japan is governed by the Liberal Democratic Party, and their values do not match.
None of these governments want to set a pretence with co-operating with Saudi Arabia in such a way. It makes them look bad.
Neither Italy or the UK will try and make japan allow Saudi-Arabia in, because the benefits of Saudi-Arabia joining probably don't overweight any damage it might do to the respective countries relationships. Italy and the UK probably don't want to say no to Saudi-Arabia themselves because it might weaken their respective relationships.
for japan it will probably always be no thanks, too risky
for the UK and Italy it will probably stay as OK, but only if japan agrees, knowing that japan won't.
The UK position could change in the future, with a labour government denying it if japan becomes more accepting.
The key is that we only have 12 years to develop one of the best fighters in the world, so best to bloody start working on it. None of the 3 states want a screw-up.
Like others have mentioned her in more succinct ways, Saudi-Arabia will likely bring more trouble than their money is worth.
However, An order for tempest from Saudi-Arabia, away from the development phase, just like with the typhoon, is much more likely to happen. I do not deny this will not happen, much rather the opposite. This will likely be for better profit for all 4 nations, because there is no development disruption.
But that is not what Saudi-Arabia wants.
they would rather spend more money if it means they have control in the development of GCAP, control of GCAP overall. That is obvious to the 3 GCAP states, and they sense trouble.