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As long as France keeps up the 'its our way or the highway' attitude, and lets be honest, they simply don't know how to act any other way, the UK won't touch a joint project with a 10ft pole.
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(Bloomberg) -- Development of a future European fighter jet first mooted by former German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron in 2017 is paralyzed by a dispute between leading industry suppliers.
The head of Dassault Aviation SA on Wednesday warned talks with the German arm of Airbus SE have been bogged down by a power struggle over “division of labor” that could threaten the project.
“We still have difficulties with Airbus,” Dassault Chief Executive Officer Eric Trappier said at a press conference in Paris. “It’s not always easy to negotiate with the Germans.”
A well & truly triggered German...Gtal wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 03:20
True groundhog day, now Italian industry industry is openly yearning for an opportunity to hitch themselves to FCAS whichever way they can, basically treating Tempest as a means to that end and maybe to retain some RnD capabilities in the meantime.
Meanwhile transatlantic media proclaims what is it now, for the 8th or 9th time?
FCAS is about to fall apart, this time it's going to happen!
Makes total sense to bring that article, after literally the last 8 times in 3 years similar pieces have been published and *every single one* proved to be a complete fantasy/wishful thinking/propaganda scenario.
The desperation FCAS seems to be generating in some parts of the english speaking world is remarkable.
If you're referring to Leonardo's acquisition of a stake in Hensoldt you're reaching...
Probably a bit of projection going on, we know who rules the roost in FCAS world ...Timmymagic wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 15:34
If you're referring to Leonardo's acquisition of a stake in Hensoldt you're reaching...
Just profit and consolidation towards the electronic side of the industry.Gtal wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 03:20
True groundhog day, now Italian industry industry is openly yearning for an opportunity to hitch themselves to FCAS whichever way they can, basically treating Tempest as a means to that end and maybe to retain some RnD capabilities in the meantime.
Meanwhile transatlantic media proclaims what is it now, for the 8th or 9th time?
FCAS is about to fall apart, this time it's going to happen!
Makes total sense to bring that article, after literally the last 8 times in 3 years similar pieces have been published and *every single one* proved to be a complete fantasy/wishful thinking/propaganda scenario.
The desperation FCAS seems to be generating in some parts of the english speaking world is remarkable.
Meriv9 wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 21:00And we should politely, but firmly keep the door locked shut. Germany has been the bane of the Eurofighter project from day 1. Excessive workshare demands, delays, and they arguably cost us the India with the box ticking "please promise you're not going to use these to hurt anyone" mentality. Whoever thought Germany should lead a sales pitch to India needs their head examined. No-one is going to buy fighters from a Green Pacifist Foreign Minister. I believe they're still even embargoing EF components to Saudi Arabia!
Luftwaffe should buy F35s and Airbus Defence should concentrate on Helicopters and A400, maybe a MPA to compete with P8.
The German's also managed to mess up other export bids for Typhoon which was in their sales territory. They've sent lower spec German aircraft for demos, which the customer would never have ordered (Tranche 1's with missing PIRATE and other upgrades). They could have asked BAE for a loan of an up to spec aircraft but didn't. Neither the Spanish or German's have made any inroads in the export market for Typhoon with their sales territories. The German's only succeeded in Austria by passing on some ex-German aircraft with a load of bribery involved.SD67 wrote: ↑01 Feb 2022, 07:00 And we should politely, but firmly keep the door locked shut. Germany has been the bane of the Eurofighter project from day 1. Excessive workshare demands, delays, and they arguably cost us the India with the box ticking "please promise you're not going to use these to hurt anyone" mentality. Whoever thought Germany should lead a sales pitch to India needs their head examined. No-one is going to buy fighters from a Green Pacifist Foreign Minister. I believe they're still even embargoing EF components to Saudi Arabia!
Luftwaffe should buy F35s and Airbus Defence should concentrate on Helicopters and A400, maybe a MPA to compete with P8.
They do, but as we found with Typhoon they issue post dated cheques, cheques bounce....or are 'in the post'...which is disastrous in the development phase of a project, endless stop-start...
Ok we leave them out, and the french leave them out. But this isn't a two player game.inch wrote: ↑02 Feb 2022, 19:16 How about we just leave them Germans alone full stop ,stick with plan A ,do not under any circumstances get them involved in tempest program ,as I've stated they have absolutely zero nothing useful to offer the program , Even the German money couldn't swing it , You've got a greens / left wing government who would try to tie our export hands ,if they want to get involved wait till we've built the plane and they can buy the finished article if they want ,I wouldn't even let them build any in Germany ,if you want one we will build it for you ,