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Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 25 Nov 2020, 09:31
by Poiuytrewq
Jake1992 wrote:both staying in service.
In what form of readiness I wonder?

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 25 Nov 2020, 10:49
by Jake1992
Poiuytrewq wrote:
Jake1992 wrote:both staying in service.
In what form of readiness I wonder?
That’s going to be the question but keeping both in service is already better than what most of us expected

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 25 Nov 2020, 10:51
by Tempest414
Same 5 year rotation I would say. The RN has worked Albion quite hard over the past 3 years and we know that Bulwark will return to the fleet in 2023 as plans stand. At this point Albion will go into extended readiness or a year long refit

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 25 Nov 2020, 11:01
by Poiuytrewq
Jake1992 wrote:That’s going to be the question but keeping both in service is already better than what most of us expected
If the future direction for the Royal Marines was clearly mapped out then they may have both gone but until that is finalised they really can't be decommissioned.

Lots could be done to the Albions to add aviation which would totally transform the vessels capabilities, especially for short endurance Littoral Ops but the addition of a Rubb hanger would be an instant fix for a modest outlay.

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 30 Jan 2021, 01:17
by SKB

(Navy Lookout) 27th January 2021
After HMS Ark Royal was (prematurely) decommissioned in 2010, HMS Albion, HMS Ocean and HMS Bulwark performed the Fleet Flagship role.

After more than a decade, an aircraft carrier, HMS Queen Elizabeth is once again the Royal Navy Flagship.

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 10 May 2021, 21:49
by Bring Deeps
US PR machine leaving RN in the shade:

https://www.dvidshub.net/search/?q=Hms& ... ublishdate

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 12 Sep 2021, 10:46
by SW1

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 11 Jan 2022, 23:13
by wargame_insomniac

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 08:22
by Tempest414
so LRG North are back out as of last night and POW sailed this morning for 3 weeks of work up not a bad start to the year

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 07 Apr 2022, 11:55
by SKB

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 07 Apr 2022, 16:42
by wargame_insomniac
Whilst the actual news story is bad news, and further indication that we need to need to tighten security, the positive is that seems that Bulwark getting a refit, whih is great news if getting back into full active service.

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 07 Apr 2022, 16:58
by Poiuytrewq
wargame_insomniac wrote: 07 Apr 2022, 16:42 great news if getting back into full active service.
Was Bukwark not due to re enter active service in 2022/2023?

If so Albion will probably replace Bulwark in extended readiness.

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 07 Apr 2022, 17:21
by Tempest414
Poiuytrewq wrote: 07 Apr 2022, 16:58
wargame_insomniac wrote: 07 Apr 2022, 16:42 great news if getting back into full active service.
Was Bukwark not due to re enter active service in 2022/2023?

If so Albion will probably replace Bulwark in extended readiness.
That is the one Bulwark will re enter after refit and Albion will go into extended readiness however Albion could go straight into refit and come out early as LRG-S flagship

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 05 Sep 2022, 21:16
by Jensy
An interesting photo of the internal ramp that the Albion Class have:



Has been reported that they are 'theoretically' capable of using it to move a medium sized helicopter from the cargo deck to the flight deck. Have never heard of it being used in practice.

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 06 Sep 2022, 00:28
by mrclark303
Jensy wrote: 05 Sep 2022, 21:16 An interesting photo of the internal ramp that the Albion Class have:



Has been reported that they are 'theoretically' capable of using it to move a medium sized helicopter from the cargo deck to the flight deck. Have never heard of it being used in practice.
Interesting Jensy, I've never heard that before...

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 06 Sep 2022, 00:43
by Jensy
mrclark303 wrote: 06 Sep 2022, 00:28 Interesting Jensy, I've never heard that before...
The first mention I saw came from a blog or forum so I wouldn't bet the farm on it. That said I've seen it repeated, though possibly from the same source. It was in relation to Lynx, so some years ago.

Perhaps other members might know more.

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 06 Sep 2022, 10:15
by Tempest414
What is the slope on that 1 in 5 or so. Fuck trying to tow an aircraft up that the talk and grip needed would be massive one slip and it is all over. Going down will be harder than going up as the tow vehicle will always need to be up hill of the aircraft also the load on the nose gear and I could go on as why this should be a none starter

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 07 Sep 2022, 14:35
by mrclark303
Tempest414 wrote: 06 Sep 2022, 10:15 What is the slope on that 1 in 5 or so. Fuck trying to tow an aircraft up that the talk and grip needed would be massive one slip and it is all over. Going down will be harder than going up as the tow vehicle will always need to be up hill of the aircraft also the load on the nose gear and I could go on as why this should be a none starter
I would think a more useful use would be for smaller Drones, rather than heavy Helos.

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 08 Sep 2022, 08:01
by Caribbean
Tempest414 wrote: 06 Sep 2022, 10:15 What is the slope on that 1 in 5 or so. Fuck trying to tow an aircraft up that the talk and grip needed would be massive one slip and it is all over. Going down will be harder than going up as the tow vehicle will always need to be up hill of the aircraft also the load on the nose gear and I could go on as why this should be a none starter
The only way I could see it working is with a winch at the top of the slope, for both directions. I can't see a tow vehicle working tbh.

Probably something that was tried once, then filed in the "let's not try that again" category.

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 08 Sep 2022, 09:29
by Tempest414
Even with a winch it is going to be outside safe limits the norm is when moving an aircraft under tow is to have someone on the brakes it would be under safe to have someone in that space

Yes maybe someone looked at the ramp size and wight limits and said it could take a Lynx and someone who knew better said jog on

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 23 Sep 2022, 09:44
by SKB

(Forces News) 21st September 2022
Forces News has been on board HMS Albion as the ship's crew were put through their paces ahead of deploying to the Mediterranean.

The amphibious warfare ship was training alongside RFA Mounts Bay, 45 Commando Royal Marines and Merlin helicopters in Plymouth Sound earlier this month.

This report was produced prior to the death of Her Majesty The Queen.

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 06 Dec 2022, 05:40
by Poiuytrewq
Such a fantastic design, just lacks the ability to embark 4-6 medium helicopters.
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Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 06 Dec 2022, 06:40
by donald_of_tokyo
Poiuytrewq wrote: 06 Dec 2022, 05:40Such a fantastic design, just lacks the ability to embark 4-6 medium helicopters.
I've been wandering that if we can add a "2 Merlin long" hangar in place of port-side LCVP davits.

Maybe some additional width (sponson) will be needed, by 1-2m extension. But, by having a long-box 32 m long, 6-7 m wide, and 6 m height, we can embark 2 Merling within. If 48m long, 3 Merlin. As MRSS has been postponed, NOW we can modify these LPDs.

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 06 Dec 2022, 07:37
by Repulse
Poiuytrewq wrote: 06 Dec 2022, 05:40 Such a fantastic design, just lacks the ability to embark 4-6 medium helicopters.
Just add Argus

Re: Albion Class Amphibious Assault Ships (LPD) (RN)

Posted: 06 Dec 2022, 07:45
by Repulse
donald_of_tokyo wrote: 06 Dec 2022, 06:40
Poiuytrewq wrote: 06 Dec 2022, 05:40Such a fantastic design, just lacks the ability to embark 4-6 medium helicopters.
I've been wandering that if we can add a "2 Merlin long" hangar in place of port-side LCVP davits.

Maybe some additional width (sponson) will be needed, by 1-2m extension. But, by having a long-box 32 m long, 6-7 m wide, and 6 m height, we can embark 2 Merling within. If 48m long, 3 Merlin. As MRSS has been postponed, NOW we can modify these LPDs.
I’m sure it’s possible, but the reality is that both the LPDs and LSDs will be operating as a group, part of which should be a dedicated Aviation Support Ship (be it Argus, a QE or another converted RFA). We should focus on preserving funds to ensure all 2 LPDs and 3 LSDs are kept operational (at different levels of readiness) to always be able to form a LPD, 2 LSD and an ASS within 30 days for the LRG(N).