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Ron5 wrote:The steel Foxhound had poor load carrying. Heavy, under powered

Thx, one more myth debunked.

https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTIC ... HTML&src=0

II.2.4)
Description of the procurement:
Manufacture and supply of capital spares for the Foxhound vehicle.

RE:
Not sure the rationale behind the 2014 to 2016 gap in the data.

= the time when the UORs were brought back and most went thru the standardisation prgrm, ie. some fleets may have been mainly standing still for those years?

Interesting thread

https://twitter.com/TotherChris/status/ ... 6635189248

Yes, the best bits right at the beginning:

Designing the Foxhound there were only five requirements:

1. Turning Circle
2. Size/Weight
3. GVA architecture
4. Composite for anti-spall
5. Mine/Blast survivable

3 functional, 2 non-functional. 5 total fits the old management span of attention rule> The sec, the 'self' => 5 to spare

The WCSP has 2000 requirements to meet. Spot the difference!

whitelancer wrote:The WCSP has 2000 requirements to meet. Spot the difference!

Requirements 1 through 1,995: ignore costs & schedule, just remember anyone but Bae.

SW1 wrote:

Highlights also how little slack there is within the air transport fleets

They have been using civilian heavy lift to supplement the RAF for a good many years.Heavy Lift's Belfasts supporting the Falklands operation springs to mind.

A new version of Foxhound. That'll get the tongues wagging.

Ron5 wrote:A new version of Foxhound. That'll get the tongues wagging.

Shown at DSEi in 2014...

Ron5 wrote:Army testing hybrid technology on two types of armoured vehicles

Foxhound and Jackal 2 will see gearboxs and drivetrains replaced with generators and electronics paired with the retained diesel engines

RunningStrong wrote:unless you're planning to have a rather large battery for regenerative braking (which is no bad thing on a vehicle that heavy).

RunningStrong wrote: Okay, perhaps you'll see 5% improvement in fuel efficiency around town

Distribute not just the drive elements, but also the batteries... which can double as structural elements
- a net weight reduction, less fuel consumption
"the battery has an energy density of 24 Wh/kg, which the team notes is around 20 percent of the capacity of today's lithium-ion batteries.

On the other hand, if this battery were integrated into an electric car in place of a typical lithium-ion one, that car would weigh a lot less and therefore require less energy to propel it across the ground. As for its mechanical properties, the team says the material has a stiffness of 25 GPa and can compete with other commonly used construction materials."
https://newatlas.com/energy/carbon-fibe ... l-battery/

How do these batteries react to coming into contact with high velocity metal projectiles? Is there a fire risk?

Foxhound in Mali with Tarian RPG protection.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tacks.html

Is there a photo anywhere showing a Foxhound next to a JLTV?

You don't see this one too often - as I believe none has been ordered. Would basically redo Jackal, which we have plenty of
https://u0v052dm9wl3gxo0y3lx0u44wz-wpen ... 59x240.jpg

Lord Jim wrote:Is there a photo anywhere showing a Foxhound next to a JLTV?

Never seen one but they have been at the same shows so one may be out there.

Have yet to see the mobile invisible power station that will follow units around to recharge all their batteries.

Lord Jim wrote:Have yet to see the mobile invisible power station that will follow units around to recharge all their batteries.

They use the same engine, it's just hybrid drive through electric motors. Effectively replacing the mechanical transmission, and added benefit of brake regeneration into a small battery.

RunningStrong wrote:

Lord Jim wrote:Have yet to see the mobile invisible power station that will follow units around to recharge all their batteries. :D

They use the same engine, it's just hybrid drive through electric motors. Effectively replacing the mechanical transmission, and added benefit of brake regeneration into a small battery.

Stop clouding the debate with facts and objectivity! You should know most UKDF contributers don't like that sort of thing.

Rather please select out of context information to reinforce existing biases, and then come out with comments to the effect that no one in FMC, FLC capability areas, DE&S etc. etc. knows what they're talking about and that only UKDF armchair Admirals, Generals and Air Marshals can save the armed forces from themselves. You'll get far less push back that way, especially if you add the occasional frisson like 'civil servants on 7 figure salaries, boo hiss'.

Oh yes, and if you could mention that we really need to up-gun the Batch 2 River class patrol vessels with Trident nukes then that would be the icing on the cake.

J. Tattersall wrote:

RunningStrong wrote:

Lord Jim wrote:Have yet to see the mobile invisible power station that will follow units around to recharge all their batteries.

They use the same engine, it's just hybrid drive through electric motors. Effectively replacing the mechanical transmission, and added benefit of brake regeneration into a small battery.

Stop clouding the debate with facts and objectivity! You should know most UKDF contributers don't like that sort of thing.

Rather please select out of context information to reinforce existing biases, and then come out with comments to the effect that no one in FMC, FLC capability areas, DE&S etc. etc. knows what they're talking about and that only UKDF armchair Admirals, Generals and Air Marshals can save the armed forces from themselves. You'll get far less push back that way, especially if you add the occasional frisson like 'civil servants on 7 figure salaries, boo hiss'.

Oh yes, and if you could mention that we really need to up-gun the Batch 2 River class patrol vessels with Trident nukes then that would be the icing on the cake.

Should I not mention then that this work was done by UKDF's favourite company, General Dynamics UK, and completed by a "bunch of forklift truck fitters" in Merthyr Tydfil.

Heads might explode.

I for one hope this leads to future development integration and orders to equip the light mechanised units among others.