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Royal Navy dentists join Far East relief mission
Royal Navy dentists treated hundreds of patients as they joined an international relief mission in the Far East.

It was the first time UK Armed Forces personnel have taken part in the US-led Pacific Partnership exercise.

Along with medical teams from the US, Japan and Australia, the five Royal Navy personnel spent five weeks in Vietnam and the remote western Pacific Ocean Republic of Palau.

Led by Surgeon Commander Karl Drummond, of RNAS Yeovilton, they began their work in the Da Nang community in Vietnam, where they helped treat more than 700 patients over 13 days.

Dental Nurse Lawrence Miller said, “I cannot believe the number of patients that have come for treatment. Providing training on cross-infection control measures has allowed the local support staff to improve their standards and we hope this will reduce the risk of contamination in their clinics.

“Working with dentists from the Japanese Defence Force has been fascinating. They are amazing people and I have enjoyed talking about their clinical techniques and life in the JDF.”

This year’s exercise also saw the Vietnam People’s Navy hospital ship Khánh Hòa take part, with the Royal Navy dentists holding clinics on board.
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I guess they're not aware of the world wide reputation of British dentistry.

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Anyone know whether the RN finally sold the 15 Goalkeeper CIWS they were touting a few years ago.

Last 4 will presumably be coming off Albion and Bulwark when they swap.

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Spinflight wrote:15 Goalkeeper CIWS
???

Then the story about supporting a log & maintenance tail for just a couple was made up.
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there were : 4 on type 22/III
3 on Invincible
3 on illustrious
2 on Bulwark
2 on Albion
1 ?Spare/training

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Well I suppose they have been on Bulwark, but Albion is being refitted and is receiving Phalanx. Presumably Bulwark will have her Goalkeepers removed whilst in her capability holiday. Or whatever they're calling it now.

If only we had a budget constrained frigate program coming up which could make use of them.

Wah! Sell em!

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i hope they've kep one complete for "Explosion"

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Very interesting article...

http://navalinstitute.com.au/maritime-h ... is-coming/

Well worth a read as it has peculiar and interesting implications.

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What really needs to happen to help the RN and the wide armed forces as a whole, even the wider system to government departments is for the PM to cut the legs from under the treasury.

Quite simple a lot of the issues for the RN and the wider government departments is treasury interference. They should be told that they're job is simply to give each department its budget each year and being in taxs, after that what each department does with its budget is solely up to them and the treasury stays out of it.

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Just shunting to the general area. Good thread idea!

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Spinflight wrote:Very interesting article...

http://navalinstitute.com.au/maritime-h ... is-coming/

Well worth a read as it has peculiar and interesting implications.
Well, we have done away with just about all small craft thatwould be useful n the scenario, save for the 5 customs cutters, the couple of patrol boats in Gib and the Uni training boats.

RE: this particular point in the article
" the Chinese immediately offer to provide protection against further attacks, pointing out that Vietnam appears unable to control its claimed waters and asserting the need to do so itself to safeguard Chinese vessels operating nearby."
that has already happened on the Mekong (obviously not on the part inside Vietnam as the bilateral relations are "frosty").
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Jake1992 wrote:Quite simple a lot of the issues for the RN and the wider government departments is treasury interference. They should be told that they're job is simply to give each department its budget each year and being in taxs, after that what each department does with its budget is solely up to them and the treasury stays out of it.
I think Hammond is moving in that general direction (and DE&S is delegating more to the Commands).

Each year, though, is not enough for decade long (or longer) prgrms. What we need (on proc side of things) is a rolling 10-year plan, like in Denmark. Multi-party commitment (they do review it after General Elections as there is no separate SDSR process). The horse trading within the Prgrm ("capability trade-offs") is between the different Commands (defence branches).
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A good read @Spinflight,

@ArmChairCivvy, what makes the Cutters or Archer class suitable for countering Hybrid tactics?
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When you get beyong .50 cals and RPGs, deniability quickly fades off.

In a counter you need presence (number of units and the crew/ cost of operating them) and speed, either to get onto the scene or to prosecute ... the latter would leave the cutters out, but you can always use a mix.
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That hasn't stopped the Russians.

The Article focuses on Pop Up threats, which is not unreasonable as the threat can blend in to the back ground of civilian activity, and in that instance speed of response is important. But is that the best way to counter?

The Cutters or Archer class would be useless in that scenario, surely aircraft are better suited? or perhaps craft like the CB90?
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shark bait wrote:aircraft are better suited? or perhaps craft like the CB90?
Sure, I was trying to avoid taking the line "more budget" and was picking from things we have/ used to have.

CB90 is nice as
- you can drive it over coral reefs (most craft would have to go around them)
- can beach it, and two infantry squads can continue the pursuit
- it turned out, though, to be too small (unstable) for a NEMO mortar, but a Jehu class boat (a couple of meters longer) manages that without difficulty
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I don't think we do have anything at present, that's why I suggested CB90. From the air the RN have capabilities against fast attack craft and missile corvette's, they would be useful against the type of threat highlighted ion the article, but the thinking would need top change.

Agree the CB90 is a very nice peice of kit, plus fits in our standard davits, and the NEMO mortar boat is another attractive boat. Their probably on the marines Christmas toy list.

Along with something in the air they could be highly effective on the smaller scale.
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shark bait wrote: Along with something in the air they could be highly effective on the smaller scale.
Swarming camcopters, flying in formation... 10 km/mls/nm apart?
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Yeah something like that, once done right swarm's will be highly effective. Not sure I would choose camcopter though, fixed wing is preferable for the extra endurance.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-sout ... s-38218952

Plans for a new £11m facility for Royal Navy reservists in Cardiff Bay have been revealed

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shark bait wrote:Not sure I would choose camcopter though, fixed wing is preferable for the extra endurance.
Was just considering how to get a swarm launched from the back of a frigate (or fleet tanker, for that matter).
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a few ways; Helicopters, Catapult, or even tube launched.

The USN trialed launching a swarm from tubes, which makes me think its something the RN should explore, especially if they could make a fixed wing drone that is compatible with the cold launch CAMM silos. That would be a very nice system.

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Or...
["]“ONR’s and DARPA’s partnership on Tern continues to make rapid progress toward creating a new class of unmanned air system combining shipboard takeoff and landing capabilities, enhanced speed and endurance, and sophisticated supervised autonomy,” said Gil Graff, deputy program manager for Tern at ONR. “If successful, Tern could open up exciting future capabilities for Navy small-deck surface combatants and U.S. Marine Corps air expeditionary operations.”

“Through Tern, we seek to develop and demonstrate key capabilities for enabling distributed, disaggregated U.S. naval architectures in the future,” said Bradford Tousley, director of DARPA’s Tactical Technology Office (TTO), which oversees Tern. “This joint DARPA-Navy effort is yet another example of how the Agency collaborates with intended transition partners to create potentially revolutionary capabilities for national security.”

The Tern Phase 3 design envisions a tailsitting, flying-wing aircraft with twin counter-rotating, nose-mounted propellers. The propellers would lift the aircraft from a ship deck, orient it for horizontal flight and provide propulsion to complete a mission. They would then reorient the craft upon its return and lower it to the ship deck. The system would fit securely inside the ship when not in use. "

http://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2015-12-28
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