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"in the summary novel bay designs are singled out" was a point from an MBDA doc a couple of posts upthread so the semi-conformal carry plays on that same design emphasis - synergestic architecting between their families of weapons might entail other things as well.
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"synergestic architecting"

Like buses, wait forever then two come at once.

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Timmymagic wrote:MBDA seem to be smashing it at the moment. Japan already as good as in the bag and South Korea as well. Looks like Meteor is a hit. Of particular interest is the semi-conformal carriage on the KFX. No internal bay. Seems if you're near to China your desire for a long range air to air missile is pretty strong...
It's been confirmed only initial models won't have an internal bay but later models will be, i remember a demo bulkhead section being shown off which confirms they're leaving space at least to make it a thing down the line

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So the buses are arriving ... in a tight sequence?

From semi-conformal carry and then to "only initial models won't have an internal bay but later models will"
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:So the buses are arriving ... in a tight sequence?

From semi-conformal carry and then to "only initial models won't have an internal bay but later models will"
Not really, KAI have been promoting it ever since the first models suggested conformal carry.

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Looks like MBDA are looking to widen their small munitions offering. Enforcer is really small, smaller than a javelin, 2 km range. Useful against structures and lightly armoured targets.

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Thanks for that explaining line. I give up on Twitter..."New #Enforcer album #Zenith out worldwide via Nuclear Blast Records" is what the link returns
- their own CEO has given up on it, too, but for privacy reasons
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It's a bit of an odd choice. The ground launched version is E/O, with Lock on Before Launch. Clearly you couldn't use that from an internal bay. The seeker head looks different to the ground launched version, it has similar apertures to the SmartGlider Light weapons that 'might' be under development for the French. No detail on the spec sheet or to be found.

Small weapons from UAV's also don't seem to sell that well unless they're from the US. The Viper Strike hasn't got too many users, or the Griffin or the other US small munition (can't remember its name). Every other nation seems to come up with new products, or at least concepts (like the Thales Fury) but no-one seems to be biting. Hellfire Class weapons seem to be the go to if you're going to arm a UAV, despite all of the hype around small munitions they seem to be struggling to break through to the mainstream. Martlet is one of the few that has got an order.

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Me neither "the other US small munition (can't remember its name)"
but I think you mean the one from Nammo
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Timmymagic wrote:.... or the other US small munition ....
The Raytheon/ Nammo Pike?
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I remember it now...the Lockheed Small Smart Weapon. Used by the CIA on UAV's.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/a.nnotate/docs/ ... martin.pdf

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And there is the G-CLAW from Textron. Not sure if this has any sales yet.

https://quwa.org/2017/02/15/textron-sys ... ion-tests/

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Press release from MBDA, video added here for completeness. Looks like there have been multiple firings.

MBDA has successfully completed a series of trials of the CAMM-ER air defence missile, validating the high-performance of the system.

The trials have been conducted in the past months and saw a series of successful firings of CAMM-ER that proved the performance of the missile at extended ranges and high altitudes while conducting a number of challenging manoeuvres.

CAMM-ER is the extended range member of the new-generation CAMM air defence family of weapons. All members of the CAMM family share the same cutting-edge active radar seeker and soft-launch system, with CAMM-ER featuring a larger rocket motor to provide extended range out beyond 40 km.

CAMM and CAMM-ER form the basis for MBDA’s Enhanced Modular Air Defence Solutions (EMADS) offering. EMADS brings together best-of-breed systems and technologies from across MBDA’s European base to save time, development costs and provide a flexible system for air defence provision. CAMM-ER, meant to replace the existing Aspide munition, is expected to be integrated in the Air Defence system of the Italian Air Force and Italian Army. CAMM-based air defence systems are known as Land Ceptor and Sea Ceptor by the British Army and Royal Navy. The Italian Navy is also evaluating how to include the missile family with its future surface combatants.


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Next up is F-35, then presumably KFX, Tempest and FCAS after. Can't see Meteor being integrated on any more US made fighters unless the Saudi's or Singapore really want it on F-15, which is highly unlikely.


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Hey, F-35's are US made!

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Sorry....you know what I mean...edited original post to add 'more' in...

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Just pulling your chain :D

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Timmymagic wrote:Next up is F-35, then presumably KFX, Tempest and FCAS after. Can't see Meteor being integrated on any more US made fighters unless the Saudi's or Singapore really want it on F-15, which is highly unlikely.
Have we heard any more on the Meteor on the F-35 its all went quite since March?

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"Have we heard any more on the Meteor on the F-35"
or is it worthwhile to load up the tiffie force with them, first, and wait for the "stealthier" seeker head before replacing the already procured AMRAAMs on stealth fighters
... after all, the new seeker comes from Japan, and could be a nice package for getting them more deeply involved in Tempest/ Pyramid
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Jdam wrote:
Timmymagic wrote:Next up is F-35, then presumably KFX, Tempest and FCAS after. Can't see Meteor being integrated on any more US made fighters unless the Saudi's or Singapore really want it on F-15, which is highly unlikely.
Have we heard any more on the Meteor on the F-35 its all went quite since March?
Don't think we will hear anything until milestones are hit now.

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ArmChairCivvy wrote:"Have we heard any more on the Meteor on the F-35"
or is it worthwhile to load up the tiffie force with them, first, and wait for the "stealthier" seeker head before replacing the already procured AMRAAMs on stealth fighters
... after all, the new seeker comes from Japan, and could be a nice package for getting them more deeply involved in Tempest/ Pyramid
I was hoping we'd life extend the Amraam C-5's to keep the Typhoon T1 fleet going, purchase a limited number of Amraam D's (100 instead of 200) and then slow down our buy rate of Meteor dramatically until JNAAM arrived c.2025. Just have a small number of Meteor to develop tactics etc until the AESA variant arrives and we go all in.

It's not bad though, the RAF currently has the best A2A loadout of any airforce on earth, the arrival of Asraam CSP, JNAAM and Amraam D cements that even further.

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Yep, that
" arrival of Asraam CSP, JNAAM and Amraam D cements that "
is what I was going on about
... and also about how Typhoons and JSFs would [best] work together, in an A2A situation
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Correct me if I am wrong but surely any purchases of a future meteor based JNAAM are pure speculation.

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That is true. But it's likely that the JNAAM if it leads to a production variant will be the de-facto Meteor mk.2. MBDA will want to market it to keep the pole position, and if you're an airforce in the market for a top range missile and prepared to pay the price you'll want the best.

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A good read on MBDA's work on BMD, in particular note the Meteor as an interceptor...


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