donald_of_tokyo wrote: ↑30 Nov 2022, 22:13
Tempest414 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2022, 19:25
Ron5 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2022, 18:26
Tempest414 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2022, 18:02
As said before the cost for the first 8 ships stands at 1.02 billion per ship
We are discussing the cost to
build each ship. So either you are claiming the entire 3.7billoin of the B1 contract was for build. Which you will find impossible to support with any published material. Or you are deliberately muddying the water by including fixed non-build costs into your Batch 1 calculations and not in Batch 2. Intellectually dishonest to say the least.
Anyhow, let's put the discussion to one side.
So how much would you like to pull aside from the 3.933 billion for design work in the Batch 1 contract and we can add that to the 860 million that BAE had before the 3.7 billion contact for design work plus what was spent on long lead items for batch 2 before the 4.2 contact was signed I know that in 2021 there was an order for 100 million for batch 2 parts
look you can poor as much grease on the monkey as you like but T-26 No-9 will not be 800 million . Now we have all known for many years now that the program cost for type 26 was 8 billion pounds i.e 1 billion per ship and no one could let that slip so they had to take the 4.2 and get on with it they have already come back for more once
Now the true cost of the type 26 is over 9 billion pounds this is not all BAE in the main it is the RN , MOD
We need Goerge of Xaviel-san to "ask" what the £4.2B for 5 B2 T26 contains. In case of £3.7Bn for the 1st 3 T26, it contained all the long lead items. It was clearly stated. This is why I think "£4.2B for 5 B2 T26" contains every thing, so that build cost for T26 is £840M per unit. That's it.
Design cost of T26 differs if you include the old one or not. I understand it is like including the Nimrod MRA4 development cost into P-8A procurement cost, but I am not sure. What I am sure is, at least French FREMM program states "3 unit cost" equivalent money as its "design and initial costs". This is fact.
3.9+4.2 = 8.1Bn. Divided by 3 + 8 gives you £730M.
If "design and initial costs" equates to 2 unit cost, then 8.1Bn divided by 2 + 8 gives you £810M.
That's it for me...
Using FREMM is interesting average cost of a FREMM is about 610 million across a 22 ship build so the design and initial costs come to 1.8 billion less than 2 type 26
using the MRA4 - P8 thing is so way off MRA4 was a british project that started and finished and not one part of it saw its way to the P8 project
I will now quote the 2015 859 million pound contract
The new contract will include investment in long lead items for the first 3 ships and shore testing facilities.
There will also be investment in key equipment for the first 3 ships including gas turbines , diesel generators and steering gear
A team from BAE and MOD are working together to complete the detailed design and porcure key equipment and prepare the manufacturing proposal to be submitted .
I shall now quote the 2020 contact for 100 million. This is for long lead items for the Batch 2 ships
So as you can see the 2015 859 million contract was very much part of the type 26 project and must now be added to the 3.9 billion batch 1 order and 4.2 batch 2 order and now takes the type 26 program to 8.87 billion
to be clear what was in the 859 million 2015 contract
building a onshore testing site
Babcocks = Air weapons handing system
David Brown = gear boxes and test kit
GE = electric motors and drive system plus test kit
Raytheon = Bridge nav systems
RR = gas turbines
RW Davis = Uptakes and down takes