Even with the roll on/off AEW kit each mission is still either - or.PAUL MARSAY wrote:have also heard that they are all going to be AEW capable .
- I think the console in the back is shared, though, so need to swap it when the EAW kit is onboarded
Even with the roll on/off AEW kit each mission is still either - or.PAUL MARSAY wrote:have also heard that they are all going to be AEW capable .
Just a small nit pic, you keep referring JC1/CBR as LPH's at first I thought it was a typo.marktigger wrote:canberra / Juan Carlos I class LPH would make excellent ocean/Albion/Bulwark replacements
I don't believe the Type 45s have the necessary spaces reserved for a towed array.seaspear wrote:For increasing asw capability besides cost what are the arguments against adding an asw capability to the type 45 ,granted without a acoustically quietened hull it would not be as effective a the proposed type 26 ,but on the occasion when away from carrier escort duties could operate effectively in asw operations , there is no guarantee even if the type 31 was to receive asw similar to captas 2 it would be as effective as a Daring with captas 4quite the reverse
Technically the America class is an LHA (Landing, Helicopter, Assault) not an LPH. Although i'm unsure of what makes the two types distinct from one another. Possibly fixed-wing capability with Harrier (and now F-35B). It gets even more confusing when you consider that the old Tarawa class assault ships were designated LHAs but also had well-docks, technically making them LHDs.R686 wrote:America class = LPH ( no well dock)
Not having a go at you but would like to get the terminology right for a new members so to avoid confusion.
Engaging Strategy wrote: Technically the America class is an LHA (Landing, Helicopter, Assault) not an LPH. Although i'm unsure of what makes the two types distinct from one another. Possibly fixed-wing capability with Harrier (and now F-35B). It gets even more confusing when you consider that the old Tarawa class assault ships were designated LHAs but also had well-docks, technically making them LHDs.
Basically it's confusing as all hell and the type designations aren't always all that consistent when it comes to flat-topped amphibious assault ships.
I have no idea what you know or don't know. At one time you claimed you had no connection with the MoD and you learned everything from your neighbors.jimthelad wrote:AEW and ASW both use the standard HM-2 console, processor, and power train. The software is obviously different and the airframe requires the mountings but the intent is to plug and play. Both SW2000/CD/MTI with Cerberus and the Elta pod have to use the same architecture. the latter means the shoulder hardpoints are occupied. But hell, what would I know?
For the DDH there are historical (and constitutional) reasons for how the "self defence" force can designate their ships.R686 wrote:when you also take into account Cavour 550, Invincible class (CVS) and the Japanese DDH's they all do basically the same thing.
Correct the Thales system uses the Console from the Sea King with a slightly larger touch screen, plus other upgrades. The failed Lockheed bid did use the ASW console as was suggested, but I'm told they had issues getting everything to work. There is some info in the Merlin thread I posted a while back.Ron5 wrote:Anyhoo, Janes showed a photo of the AEW console being tested by RN Observers and stated it was not the same as the ASW console. For one thing the AEW console had much larger screens. On the other hand, the Lockheed bid (with the dual pods) did use the ASW consoles with a bolt on.
Thales via Janes was crystal clear that the existing ASW consoles would not work. All ASW equipment is removed from the Merlin HM2s and the AEW kit is moved in. That kit includes brand new AEW consoles which were designed and developed using considerable input from RN Observers.jimthelad wrote:Everything is now migrated onto the standard HM 2 consoles AFAIK. The LM bid was dropped but the rethink may yet bring it back in. The older ASAC consoles would require changes to the cabin according Leonardo.
The name might come back? Once we get some fighters!Ron5 wrote:used to be called fighter controllers
Not exactly plug n play if you got to start removing consoles etc. Not a case of just sliding in a palette either.Ron5 wrote:Thales via Janes was crystal clear that the existing ASW consoles would not work. All ASW equipment is removed from the Merlin HM2s and the AEW kit is moved in. That kit includes brand new AEW consoles which were designed and developed using considerable input from RN Observers.
Not as bad as you think Bob. They're pretty used to getting the ASW kit out (including consoles) to use the Merlins as shed haulers.bobp wrote:Not exactly plug n play if you got to start removing consoles etc. Not a case of just sliding in a palette either.Ron5 wrote:Thales via Janes was crystal clear that the existing ASW consoles would not work. All ASW equipment is removed from the Merlin HM2s and the AEW kit is moved in. That kit includes brand new AEW consoles which were designed and developed using considerable input from RN Observers.