Re: BAE Systems - Discussion Thread
Posted: 02 Jul 2017, 20:57
also close Clyde and move back ship building to Portsmouth, we might have to do it sooner rather than later
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Only if you're trying to encourage the Scots to leave the UK....no thanksFuNsTeR wrote:also close Clyde and move back ship building to Portsmouth, we might have to do it sooner rather than later
so the rest of the UK is to be held to ransom just to appease or not to upset the Scots, they are already subsidised to the hilt via the barnett formuladmereifield wrote:Only if you're trying to encourage the Scots to leave the UK....no thanksFuNsTeR wrote:also close Clyde and move back ship building to Portsmouth, we might have to do it sooner rather than later
So are Cornwall, Wales and NI. Should we try to jettison them too? Once they're gone, the other regions that are subsidised, to a lesser extent, will come into focus....it's an unavoidable fact that it costs more to provide public services to rural communities...so we shall just end up with a city state, or collection of them, in the end?FuNsTeR wrote:so the rest of the UK is to be held to ransom just to appease or not to upset the Scots, they are already subsidised to the hilt via the barnett formuladmereifield wrote:Only if you're trying to encourage the Scots to leave the UK....no thanksFuNsTeR wrote:also close Clyde and move back ship building to Portsmouth, we might have to do it sooner rather than later
Would have done the commentary against three separate quotes, but as this thread was merged it somehow made the quote facility "not working"LordJim wrote:
BAe System's ship building operations in Scotland should be core to this. If the SNP agree that Scotland will remain within and integral to the UK then the UK Government will support BAe with orders, but if they keep up the pretence that Scotland is a sovereign country that is entitled to independence then BAe are encouraged to move south with Government help.
[Isn't this the current strategy? Not a particularly good one. Let's see what Nss says]
As part of this further tax raising powers/responsibilities should be transferred to Scotland to negate the SNPs anti-government rhetoric.
[I like Scotland and the Scots a lot, so hopefully this won't be taken out of context: SNP's rhetoric, and indeed its platform is dedicated to the $80-100/ barrel oil - just like Putin's aspiration and personal ambition to reconnect the Russian Tsarist empire. Neither will thrive when the real scenarios are between 30 and 45 into the foreseeable future]
Also the funding per head should match the average of the rest of the UK as should Northern Ireland and Wales.
[The above is what being a nation is all about; hence the EU cannot be a nation, but must limit its ambitions to key areas that deal with Europe's future... not just being an affluent market for others, but fully leveraging its internal dynamics and throwing its weight around - be it in trade, foreign policy... or in the extension of the former: defence related matters. Not a bad formula for the UK, either. So why abandon it; just like in tennis: Never change the winning game?]
Disappointing if it pans out that wayTimmymagic wrote:I don't think anyone seriously thought that the Qatari LOI would turn into an order in reality, or at least anytime soon. I suspect never..
The Saudi order also appears to have dragged on far too long for it ever to materialise. They're cutting it fine, and with the recent Saudi-Russia rapprochement it could mean it never happens. Of course BAe don't want to say that out loud for obvious reasons. The pension deficit is worrying for them though...
Well the Red Arrows have got to fly something beyond 2020 and it's got to be British to fly the patriotic flag so why not?dmereifield wrote:Could there be a chance, albeit small, that the recent announcement of job losses at BAE, specifically listing a lack of Typhoon and Hawk orders, is a ploy to 1) provide political cover to HMG for approval of a second batch of Typhoon to Saudi Arabia, whom swoop in with an order at the last minute, saving hundreds of jobs...and 2) to try to encourage the MoD to order more Hawks to replace the red arrows (and others)?
Fanciful thinking, I know.....
Well hopefully something will come in from those possibilities. What I'd love to see is a massive Saudi order come in - not just to save jobs - also to see what the hypocritical lefties/momentum idiots would do.....actively campaign against it (i.e. Campaigning for UK job losses) or whether they grow up and be pragmatic to support the deal....AndyC wrote:Well the Red Arrows have got to fly something beyond 2020 and it's got to be British to fly the patriotic flag so why not?dmereifield wrote:Could there be a chance, albeit small, that the recent announcement of job losses at BAE, specifically listing a lack of Typhoon and Hawk orders, is a ploy to 1) provide political cover to HMG for approval of a second batch of Typhoon to Saudi Arabia, whom swoop in with an order at the last minute, saving hundreds of jobs...and 2) to try to encourage the MoD to order more Hawks to replace the red arrows (and others)?
Fanciful thinking, I know.....
Also, they've spent a bit of money on this https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/02 ... -hawk.html but India didn't buy so BAe Systems must be hoping for some UK sales as the launch customer.
Finally, there's the ASDOT contract to bid for - £1.2 billion over fifteen years!
Wouldn't that simply be jobs in India, according to the article?AndyC wrote:Well the Red Arrows have got to fly something beyond 2020 and it's got to be British to fly the patriotic flag so why not?dmereifield wrote:Could there be a chance, albeit small, that the recent announcement of job losses at BAE, specifically listing a lack of Typhoon and Hawk orders, is a ploy to 1) provide political cover to HMG for approval of a second batch of Typhoon to Saudi Arabia, whom swoop in with an order at the last minute, saving hundreds of jobs...and 2) to try to encourage the MoD to order more Hawks to replace the red arrows (and others)?
Fanciful thinking, I know.....
Also, they've spent a bit of money on this https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/02 ... -hawk.html but India didn't buy so BAe Systems must be hoping for some UK sales as the launch customer.
Finally, there's the ASDOT contract to bid for - £1.2 billion over fifteen years!
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Reading the details, it says UK, Oman and Kuwait - 2022 is most likely when the last of the Typhoon major units are shipped off. The actual production line for UK aircraft probably ends 2019 or thereabouts.dmereifield wrote: This will keep the Typhoon production line running until 2024. Apparently, without this deal the production was due to run until 2022 (later than I had thought).
See highlighted for the detail - this explains why 2022 sounds later than you thought.dmereifield wrote:What details? It says this:
"Boardman hinted at a prolonged delivery schedule for the Qatari Typhoons, telling the parliamentary committee the deal will stretch assembly of the fast jet at BAE’s Warton site in northwest England to 2024. The current order book delivering jets to the Britusg Royal Air Force, Oman and Kuwait is set to end in 2022, he said."
Ah, I see. Thanks for clarification. Good news either way. Hopefully we can secure an additional order now the production line has been extended.Defiance wrote:See highlighted for the detail - this explains why 2022 sounds later than you thought.dmereifield wrote:What details? It says this:
"Boardman hinted at a prolonged delivery schedule for the Qatari Typhoons, telling the parliamentary committee the deal will stretch assembly of the fast jet at BAE’s Warton site in northwest England to 2024. The current order book delivering jets to the Britusg Royal Air Force, Oman and Kuwait is set to end in 2022, he said."
2022 is when the UK is meant to finish shipping off Typhoon front fuse sections to Italy. The date you hear more often (2019/2020) is the date of final assembly of UK/Oman examples at Warton.
It's Boardman being a bit generous with what encompasses 'assembly'. Most would assume that to be final aircraft, but in this case it's broken down into major units which is why it sounds like activity is more prolonged than in reality.
No problem. Yeah it's positive, as long as it gets turned into a contract. They're still talking to Saudi about batch 2 as well.dmereifield wrote:Ah, I see. Thanks for clarification. Good news either way. Hopefully we can secure an additional order now the production line has been extended.
Do you (or anyone else) know when the (UK) Hawk production line is due to fulfil the order book, considering the additional 6 aircraft for Qatar?