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I gotta give big props to the Norwegians on the highly efficient and well trained units they have considering the size. Like their Telemark battalion and Jegerkompaniet and Coastal Rangers to name but a few.

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Supacat clinches £23m order from Norway. One question I have in regards to the Scandinavian countries buying the equipment, can it be fitted with some kind of protection against the elements for the crew. I have never seen anything like that fitted, but surely in their conditions it would be needed.

http://www.supacat.com/news/latest-news ... -vehicles/

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Latest Details on Kongsberg NSM-SL (Submarine Launch) Weapon System
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Kongsberg is still working on a submarine launched variant of its Naval Strike Missile (NSM) and is cooperating with Babock and Nammo for this project. The information was confirmed to Navy Recognition by a Kongsberg official. We first revealed the existence of this project last year during Balt Military Expo, a maritime defense exhibition held every two years in Poland.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=2862

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What RUAG can do to the evergreen (now in A6 or 7 edition for the US forces) is unknown, but the first two in

" the tracked Samsung Techwin K9 Thunder, the wheeled Nexter Systems Caesar, the tracked Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW) Panzerhaubitze 2000 (PzH 2000), and a modernised M109 offered by RUAG"

as in tracks vs wheels will be interesting ( the wheels choice having been made once before).
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The four SPG candidates spent more than half of Jan in a cometitive shootout (winter testing for the same money!):
CANDIDATES (the interesting one is the M109G which differs from the development path of the models that the US Army is upgrading to):

Caesar
Manufacturer: NEXT, France

In production since: 2006

Weight: 17.7 tons

Length / height / width: 10 / 3.7 / 2.55 meters

Staffing: 5-6

Speed: 100/50 km / h (road / All Terrain)

Range: 600 km

Power / weight: 13.6 hp




K9 Thunder
Manufacturer: Hanwha Techwin, South Korea

Operational since: 1999

Weight: 47 tons

Length / height / width: 12 / 2.73 / 3.4 meters

Staffing: 5

Speed: 67 km / h

Range: 480 km

Power / weight: 21 hp / t




M109G
Upgraded by: RUAG, Switzerland

In production since: 1960

Weight: 27 tons

Length / Height / Width: 11.3 / 3.1 / 3.1 meters

Staffing: 6

Speed: 60 km / h

Range: 350 km

Power / weight: 16.3 hp / t





panzerhaubitze 2000
Manufacturer: Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW), Germany

Developed since: 1996

Weight: 55.8 tons

Length / Height / Width: 11.7 / 3.1 / 3.6 meters

Staffing: 5

Speed: 67/45 km / h (road / All Terrain)

Range: 420 km

Power / weight: 17.92 hp / t[quote][/quote]
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Norway trials (the first vid is from somewhere else; no snow!):
K9 shooting and scooting in the same elapsed time the Caesar crew only gets the first round pushed in

Here's the snow included


- I can only imagine that the slalom track like performance is testing how nimbly the massive SPG can follow a cleared & marked route through a minefield
- on a different vid Caesar seems to have been lucky: snow chains on 4 of the 6 wheels has got it through the snow (there could be much more of it, though)

Cost information is also starting to emerge:
- a K9 60% of the purchase cost of the German ueber-SPG (and 50% of the running cost)
- the K9 taking part in the trials is the genuine article; you could get the Polish version (Korean chassis, British-designed turret, French gun. NATO ammo and Polish electronics), too . Cost unknown because it is not part of the evaluation.
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Successful Test Campaign of the Self Protection Suite of the Norwegian NH90
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NHI successfully completed the test campaign of the self-protection suite of the Norwegian NH90. The aircraft NH90 NNWN01 prototype was manned by Finmeccanica Helicopter Division flight test team (Test Pilot Roger Mowbray and Flight Test Engineer Fabrizio Santarossa) and supported by a multi-national, multi-disciplined team from several organisations.

This comprehensive suite encompasses a Radar Warner Receiver (AN/ALQ-211(v)5 from HARRIS) able to detect, locate and identify any radar guided threats at long distance around the NH90, a Laser Warning System (AN/AVR-2A(v)1 from Goodrich), a Missile Warning System (AN/AAR-54) from Northrop Grumman) and also a Counter Measures Dispensing System (AN/ALE 47 (H) from BAE).
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=3621

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arfah wrote:http://www.armyrecognition.com/septembe ... 09151.html

First 12 of 144 upgraded CV90's delivered to Norway.

The 40mm is intriguing. It seems reminiscent of the early years in gun development as performance and size ratchets up

http://www.armyrecognition.com/sweden_s ... video.html

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Norway MoD Shortlisted TKMS and DCNS for Ula-class SSK Submarine Replacement
Based on economic, industrial and military assessments, the Norwegian Ministry of Defence has concluded that the French company Direction des Constructions Navales Services (DCNS) and the German company ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) are the strongest candidates if Norway decides to procure new submarines. The Ministry of Defence has decided to focus our future efforts towards these two companies and their respective national authorities.
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Norway Eyes P-3 Replacement, new Submarines, and expanded ISR Capabilities
“We will be looking at replacing the aging P-3 maritime patrol aircraft, we will look to replace our submarine fleet, we will continue to invest in ISR [intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance], and we will stay on course to acquire the F-35,” Bø pledged.

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I believe the Norgies and the Dutch are co-operating on the sub design... Poland may join in.

None of the two (3) are building any, so probs the Swedes, Germans (Spaniards/ French) will be invited to bid against the design?
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Video: Royal Norwegian Navy Skjold-class Corvette Fires NSM against Coastal Land Target
The Norwegian Navy released footage and images showing a Skjold-class corvette launching a Naval Strike Missile (NSM) against a land target. The test took place on Monday, in Andøy is the northernmost municipality in Nordland county. It was a first for the Norwegian Navy.

The Storm corvette launched the NSM against a simulated enemy control center. The target was located right on the coast but the test demonstrates the Norwegian Navy's new capability to strike land targets (even ones located further inland) with its Skjold-class corvettes or its Nansen-class frigates thanks to the NSM by Kongsberg.
Read http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=4049

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HNoMS Uredd first Norwegian submarine to fire IDAS missile
HNoMS Uredd, an Ula-class submarine recently became the first Norwegian submarine to fire the IDAS submarine launched missile system from a submerged position.

Interactive Defence and Attack System for Submarines (IDAS) is a missile system developed by the IDAS Consortium, formed by ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems and Diehl BGT Defence.

While the IDAS system was already successfully test-fired from submarines of the German Navy in the past, this marks the first ejection of the IDAS missile system from a Norwegian submarine.
https://navaltoday.com/2016/06/02/hnoms ... s-missile/

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A good find that IDAS:

" the first active self-defence ASW for submerged submarines. The system enables the submerged cruising submarine to engage airborne, surface and land targets near the coast."

Now all they need to do for land attack is to add the sub-launched targeting drones that the USN is introducing (they don't take up normal tubes and are only the size of your arm) and then follow up with a couple of these IDAS thingies (rather than a Tomahawk, where the wrapper for tube launch alone comes at $ half a mln).
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A useful quote from the above, to help to improve the MoD/ Treasury interface?

" While every new generation of equipment and technology allows us to do much more than the previous one, that added capability comes at a price. We can no longer accommodate that trend simply by buying fewer platforms or by internal efficiency savings. We cannot have security without sustainability. This plan aims to provide both, says Norwegian Minister of Defence"
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Norway Selects Germany & TKMS as Strategic Partner for Ula-class Submarine Replacement
After a comprehensive evaluation process, The Norwegian Government decided on Germany as strategic partner for new submarines. The partnership is based on a German-Norwegian common purchase and lifetime management of identical, new submarines.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ement.html

Can't say I am happy, but I am not really surprised either. This was some sort of last resort bid for TKMS as far as submarines go (losing both Australia and Norway would have been really critical for them)

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Will get back to xav's contribution above in a bit, but it caught my eye that with the F-35s coming the old fighter A2A missiles are going to be recycled, to give the army a mobile airdefence (NASAMS systems have been allocated to bases and strategic towns/ cities).

NOK as a currency is "cheap" to the pound, but just to give you an indication of the costs:
- IRIS-T with helmet sights cost 1.4 bn NOK (for their F-16s)
- the incremental cost, by taking the NASAMS sensor and command elements as plug-in components is 1 bn
- so throwing away the helmet sights, a cool 2 bn for the whole system (before conversion to pounds)

It is the good old SLAMRAAM that was killed by the peace dividend, just with a different missile.
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About the subs: they will get the Kongsberg CMS, presumably counted in the total cost of 20-30 bn NOK.

Does not stop there:
"ti tyske fregatter (11 når dagens tre fregatter i Bremen-klassen erstattes med fire nye F125-fregatter) skal bytte ut Harpoon/Exocet med NSM."
11 frigates and 6 MKS 180 (looks like F125s have become one less and the MKS 180s one more, of late) will all get NSM, costing in the order of 10 bn NOK.

Anyone interested in more detail can read it in TU (in Norwegian, Forsvar 13. feb. 2017 - 15:07 )
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