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A topic to discuss defence in The Netherlands.

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http://www.defensie.nl/english/topics/m ... ns-in-mali

Dutch contributions in Mali

The Dutch contingent in Mali is mainly involved in conducting reconnaissance and gathering intelligence, serving, as it were, as the 'eyes and ears' of the mission.

The UN operation's primary objective is to restore security and stability in Mali and to protect the civilian population. The Dutch contribution chiefly consists of:

• Special Operations Forces;

• intelligence personnel;

• Apache attack helicopters;

• Chinook transport helicopters (from October 2014);

• police trainers.

Special Forces gather intelligence
Troops from the Commando Corps and the Marine Corps, working in three teams, make up the operational core in the field. They have various types of vehicles at their disposal, including:

• lightly armoured Bushmasters;

• Mercedes Benz tactical wheeled vehicles;

• Fennek tactical wheeled reconnaissance vehicles;

• ATV Quad bikes.

The Commander of Minusma leads the Dutch special operations forces from mission headquarters in Bamako. Staff officers have also been deployed to ensure that the planning runs smoothly. In addition, a number of military specialists have been sent to Mali to assist in, among other things, electronic warfare, explosive ordnance disposal, logistics, communications and medical tasks.

Apache attack helicopters
The Netherlands has also provided four Apache attack helicopters, which are deployed by the Minusma Commander. The helicopters are conducting reconnaissance and escort duties. They also act as a deterrent (show of force) or deliver fire support. The Apaches also gather intelligence by using their sensors.

Chinook transport helicopters
The Defence organisation has also deployed 3 Chinook transport helicopters to Africa, with medical evacuation as their main task. The Dutch Chinooks have been fully deployed since October of this year. Until the arrival of the Chinooks, Dutch units only operated at distance from their base in Gao on condition that the French Operation Serval was able to guarantee medical evacuation.

Dutch train Malian police
Besides military personnel, 30 police officers and several civilian experts have been deployed to the MINUSMA mission in Mali. They are training the Malian police force, as well as contributing to developing the judicial system and reforming the security sector.
anyone know if the Dutch forces operate near the European trainers or French forces? Do they have their own AOR?

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As the above mentions the Dutch SF, here is some more general profiling (includes past engagements) on them:

http://www.dutchdefencepress.com/elite- ... e7xhfZViko

They (the Marines bit) are of course closely aligned with the RM and SBS. When the RM showed an interest in procuring CB90 boats, the Dutch provided one for trials (the driver training was with the Swedish Marines, but that can be put down to Sweden's commercial interest in the project... which, btw, disappeared from sight without any published conclusions).
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The cost for the 100 Dutch LeoA6s that went to Finland is now known:
- just under e 200m, plus 6.6m to modify for national comms & command systems

Gerard O'Dwyer in Defence News put out an article about shopping in the flea market... the publication has had the good sense to take it down from their website, in light of what has happened since.

Germany sold lower spec Leos at the same time to Poland for a fifth of the unit price
- last year Poland was officially making a query of Bundeswehr's ability to take part in any fight

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HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën on the ABM exercise off the coast of Scotland:


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CEC... without buying the CEC kit.
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Dutch sailors train at Raleigh
Sailors from the Royal Netherlands Navy have been practising restoring a ship at sea using HMS Raleigh’s new multi-million pound training rig.

A group of 12 Seaman Specialists have spent the week at the Royal Navy training base using the replenishment-at-sea (RAS) rig, which was formally opened in September 2013.

The rig simulates the transfer of stores, food supplies, liquids, such as fuel, and personnel between auxiliary vessels and warships.

The training course was delivered and assessed by five instructors from the Royal Netherlands Navy, supported by Royal Navy personnel, and forms part of the Dutch sailors’ eight month course to prepare them for promotion.

The Royal Netherlands Navy have been regular visitors to HMS Raleigh and have previously trained on the old RAS rig.
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-la ... at-raleigh

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Dutch Air Force & Navy at Gibraltar:



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BBC: Russia ships 'chase away' Dutch submarine in Mediterranean:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37928222


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20km away - is that within torpedo range for the Walrus class? Not too bad for a late 1970s design (even if it wasn't actually commissioned until 94)
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To answer my own question - the Walrus class carries up to 20 Honeywell Mk 48s, with a range of up to 50km at 40kts. So they were well within range. I know there's a lot more to getting a firing solution than just range, but I'm surprised that the Russians admitted to the incident.
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Yes they have admitted the incident but for how long was the submarine able to monitor the Russians BEFORE it was detected? That would be the interesting part.

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... and was anyone else sitting there quietly! I would have thought there would have been a queue of nations waiting to test themselves up against the Russian ASW capabilities in the Med, some of whom might have been trailing them for a while.
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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... nters.html

Belgium and Netherlands joint procurement of minehunter frigates

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Well, two different classes:
"For the replacement of the so-called M-class frigates, The Netherlands will take the lead, while Belgium will lead for the minehunters."

Interesting that the joint logistics ship is shared three ways: NL, Belgium and Germany
- at one point it was considered an overinvestment relative to the Navys other capabilities and the completion of the project was uncertain (or it be carrying a "For Sale" sign at launch)
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Thanks for the info. Interesting arrangement....

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Dutch CV90s to become first NATO combat vehicles to receive active protection

BAE Systems has received a contract from the Netherlands for the testing and verification of Active Protection Systems (APS) on its CV90 Infantry Fighting Vehicles.

Active Protection is an advanced solution consisting of countermeasures that can intercept incoming rocket-propelled grenades, anti-tank missiles, and other threats to increase crew and vehicle survivability.

BAE Systems, the manufacturer of the Dutch CV9035 variant vehicles, will lead the APS integration. BAE Systems will also carry out the future installation of the system, called Iron Fist, developed by Israeli supplier IMI Systems. Iron Fist is an automated system that uses a radar to detect and track threats and then takes action to eliminate the threat.

“Iron Fist will give the Dutch Army a highly sophisticated defensive tool on its CV90s to counter threats and improve the safety of the vehicle and its crew,” said Tommy Gustafsson-Rask, managing director of Sweden-based BAE Systems Hägglunds. “Iron Fist is yet another example of the advanced technology BAE Systems and its partners can deliver to our customers.”

http://defence-blog.com/army/dutch-cv90 ... ction.html

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Video: Thales SMART-L radar proves BMD capability during Formidable Shield 2017
Thales’s SMART-L radar detected and tracked a Terrier Oriole ballistic missile well outside the earth’s atmosphere. This unique achievement was the highlight in Formidable Shield 2017, an integrated air and missile defence exercise organized by the US Navy’s Sixth Fleet in the Hebrides test range in the Atlantic Ocean.
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... -2017.html

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So it seems the Royal Netherlands Navy might get a second Combat Support Ship.

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lordroel wrote:So it seems the Royal Netherlands Navy might get a second Combat Support Ship.
Another Karel Doorman? Good news if so. :clap:


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lordroel wrote:So it seems the Royal Netherlands Navy might get a second Combat Support Ship.

How so? I was thinking that they can't keep in service not even one? :crazy:
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SKB wrote:
lordroel wrote:So it seems the Royal Netherlands Navy might get a second Combat Support Ship.
Another Karel Doorman? Good news if so. :clap:

Yes, but now lets hope the other ships that need replacement also get funds.

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