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New Guided Missile Destroyer Project for ROC Navy Emerges out of Taiwan
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Pictures of a scale model and computer renderings of a new guided-missile destroyer project for the Republic of China (Taiwan) Navy (ROC Navy) emerged last week in the 中国军事中國軍事武器 (China Military Chinese Weapon) magazine. This new destroyer project is in line with Taiwan's new naval acquisition plan which was unveiled late last year. The new plan called for four new destroyers (among other vessels).
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=4140

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Taiwan Started Designing its Own Diesel-Electric SSK Submarines
The Republic of China (ROC or Taiwan) Navy said on Thursday it has started design work on its domestic attack submarine programme, hoping to complete it in 2024. Navy Command Headquarters Chief of Staff Vice Admiral Mei Chia-shu told a legislative committee session: “We plan to complete the design by 2019 and complete the construction by 2024.”

The submarine programme is part of Taiwan's new naval acquisition plan which was unveiled late last year. The ROC Navy also have a Destroyer programme as part of this plan.

Vice Admiral Hsiao Wei-min said last year that "at present the navy's demand is submarines ranging from 1,200-3,000 tons".

Mei said the navy signed a contract with a Dutch company earlier this year to extend the lifespan of the two subs so Taiwan could use the design blueprint as the basis for the construction of the first home-built submarine.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=4186

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Fresh details on that DDG project

Video: ROC Navy - Taiwan Future Guided Missile Destroyer Revealed
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Taiwan's National Chung-Shan Institute of Science and Technology (NCSIST) released an animation video showing the future guided-missile destroyer project for the Republic of China (Taiwan) Navy (ROC Navy) in combat. Renderings of this new project surfaced in June last year (as we reported). This new destroyer project is in line with Taiwan's new naval acquisition plan which was unveiled in late 2015. The new plan called for four new destroyers (among other vessels).
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ealed.html

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Falls onto the trend line where there are shorter ranged missiles against saturation attack and more capable ones in VLSs:

"For air-defense, in addition to the 16x short range SAM from the Sea Oryx system, there are 4x modules of VLS consisting of 8x cells each (for a total of 32 missiles) (visible at 0:50 in the video). Early design from last year showed a different configuration: One module forward and two in the middile of the hull (located in between the anti-ship missile launchers)"
- the latter having been upped by 33% through the final design iterations
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US Approves sale of EW Systems & Torpedoes to Taiwan Navy
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The U.S. State Department announced yesterday it green lighted an arms sale package worth US$1.42 billion to Taiwan. Part of the package includes systems for the Republic of China Navy (ROCN or Taiwan's Navy). According to the Defense Security Cooperation Agency, possible foreign military sales (FMS) of AN/SLQ-32(V)3 Electronic Warfare Systems, MK54 Lightweight Torpedoes and MK 48 Mod 6AT Heavyweight Torpedoes have been approved.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... -navy.html

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dmereifield wrote:F35b for Taiwan?
They have a bit of a problem as with the S-400 systems arriving in numbers on the mainland side, only the north-eastern tip of the island is not covered - and conventional planes taking off/ landing can't do very much to evade a missile pre-targeted (roughly) and coming in at Mach6
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Video: Taiwan Armed Forces in Major Live Missile Drill
MND Deputy Chief of Staff Li Chao-ming (李兆明) said at a press conference on Tuesday (July 30) that a total 117 missiles of 12 different types were fired over the course of two days of live-fire exercises from the Jiupeng Military Base in Pingtung County, reported CNA. On Tuesday alone, 41 missiles of seven different types were fired, with an accuracy rate of 95.1 percent.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ile-drill/

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Has Taiwan solved the sourcing of submarines yet? I remember is was a major issue a while back.

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TADTE 2019: Latest Taiwanese Naval Projects for ROC Navy
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The latest Taiwanese naval projects were showcased at the 2019 Taipei Aerospace & Defense Technology Exhibition (TADTE) which was held this week in Taiwan: A new LPD project, a mine-laying ship and the flight II of the well known Tuo Chiang-class corvette.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -roc-navy/

After the "air defense LHD" from Qatar, here is the "surface combatant LPD" from Taiwan...

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Taiwan Starts Construction on 3rd & 4th Mine Laying Ship
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A keel laying ceremony was held on April 17 at Taiwanese shipbuilder Lungteh Shipbuilding for the 3rd and 4th Min Jiang-class mine laying ships. The vessels are being built for the Republic of China (ROC) Navy.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ying-ship/


ROC Navy Kang Ding-class Frigates Set For Decoy Launcher Upgrade
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The Republic of China Navy (ROC Navy, Taiwan) has started a program to upgrade the decoy launchers aboard its French-built Kang Ding-class frigates. Following the upgrade, the DAGAIE MK2 launchers will be able to deploy next gen countermeasures which will better protect the vessels against modern anti-ship missiles.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... r-upgrade/

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xav wrote: Taiwan Starts Construction on 3rd & 4th Mine Laying Ship
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A keel laying ceremony was held on April 17 at Taiwanese shipbuilder Lungteh Shipbuilding for the 3rd and 4th Min Jiang-class mine laying ships. The vessels are being built for the Republic of China (ROC) Navy.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ying-ship/

Smart thing about these mine-laying ships. But more of them are needed.
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Some may have noticed that quite a few arms deals have been set in train lately, but now the 'pork barrel' politics enwidened onto the international scene are creating a backlash as the Taiwan Gvmnt gave in to Trump (appeasing his farming lobby), and
"from Jan. 1, allow imports of U.S. pork containing ractopamine, an additive that enhances leanness but is banned in the European Union and China, as well as U.S. beef more than 30 months old.

While welcomed in Washington, and removing a roadblock to a long sought after U.S. free trade deal for Taiwan..."
TAIPEI (Reuters) - Thousands of people took to Taipei’s streets on Sunday for the annual “Autumn Struggle” protest march organised by labour groups, with much of the anger focused on the government’s decision to ease restrictions on imports of U.S. pork.
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I guess the message with this
"TAIPEI/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A two-star Navy admiral overseeing U.S. military intelligence in the Asia-Pacific region has made an unannounced visit to Taiwan, two sources told Reuters on Sunday, in a high-level trip that could vex China.

The sources, who include a Taiwanese official familiar with the situation, said the official was Rear Admiral Michael Studeman. The sources spoke on condition of anonymity.

According to the Navy’s website, Studeman is director of the J2, which oversees intelligence, at the U.S. military’s Indo-Pacific Command.
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China, which claims democratically-run Taiwan as its own territory, reacted with fury when U.S. Health Secretary Alex Azar came to Taipei in August, followed by U.S. Undersecretary of State Keith Krach in September, sending fighter jets near the island each time.

The Trump administration has ramped up support for Taiwan, including with new arms sales, alarming China."
is that this is the "new normal; get used to it" and then the Biden Admin can say "ohh, it was a blib... we'' behave as per before, if you guys behave as per before" :?:
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Taiwan Starts Construction Of New IDS Submarine For ROC Navy

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Taiwan' shipbuilder China Shipbuilding Corporation (CSBC) started construction today on a prototype submarine known as the Indigenous Defense Submarine (IDS). The move aims at renewing the submarine forces of the Republic of China (ROC) Navy while developing a domestic capability to produce submarines.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -roc-navy/

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An interesting statement of how the Grey Zone works, in a Reuters piece on Taiwan:

" Admiral Lee Hsi-ming, who until last year was the commander of the Taiwanese military, told Reuters in an interview. “You say it’s your garden, but it turns out that it is your neighbor who’s hanging out in the garden all the time. With that action, they are making a statement that it’s their garden - and that garden is one step away from your house.”["]

A bit like in England:
- no point calling the Cops if someone enters your front yard by hopping over, or by the side of the gate
- you will only have a legal basis once they brake down the front door "enter the property"

Will you have the phone to hand
... and will anyone (talking about Taiwan, of course) pick up at the other end? And if so, do anything about it
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So Taiwan is finally getting the capability to produce SSKs, it is about time. I do wonder however how many "Silent" partners they have in the programme?

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Lord Jim wrote:So Taiwan is finally getting the capability to produce SSKs, it is about time. I do wonder however how many "Silent" partners they have in the programme?
Put it this way, I don't think that you'd have to spend much time in Taipei before you bump in to a "retired" Mitsubishi or Kawasaki engineer.

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Well that is entirely appropriate, as presumably the Taiwanese will also call their Submarine Force “The Silent Service”. :lol:

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BTW, this one is not an "Obama Red Line":

"In a recent press conference with Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida, President Joe Biden signaled a move away from strategic ambiguity on Taiwan, making a long overdue adjustment to U.S. policy."
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I bet they could hear the screams of outrage from China in Tokyo by just opening the window. :D

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(Forces News) 9th October 2023
To bolster its defences against a possible Chinese navy attack, Taiwan has unveiled its first domestically-made submarine.

Taiwan, which China claims as its own territory, has made its submarine programme a key part of an ambitious project to modernise its armed forces as Beijing stages almost daily military exercises to assert its sovereignty.

President Tsai Ing-wen launched 'Haikun', a name which translates as 'mythical sea creature' – the first of eight new submarines – in the southern city of Kaohsiung. It is thought that the arrival of the new submarine will have caught China off guard.

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First ex-part sale of artisan radar?

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... w-frigate/

The ROC Navy’s light frigates will be equipped with CMS-330 Combat Management System, BAE ARTISAN radar, 76mm cannon, TC-2N SAMs, HF-3 ASMs, Phalanx Close-In Weapon System and S-70C ASW helicopters. There have been some rumors that the light frigates could be equipped with the Sea Oryx CIWS, but so far there is no information to suggest that the frigates will be equipped with Sea Oryx.

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