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Yet again another country that seems to be able to get its act together. I am beginning to think the Politicians should not be allowed anywhere near key areas like Defence and healthcare when it come to money. Fine let them come up with the policies but the implementation should be done by non-political professionals. If implementing the policy is too expensive the Policy changes not cooking the books as happens now.

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Jane's is reporting that the extra funding will include budget for buying SM-2 missiles (and maybe SM-6 to follow). In addition, three ships to be equipped with variable depth sonar system plus MH-60 fleet will be fitted with dipping sonar and lightweight torpedoes.

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Aethulwulf wrote:will include budget for buying SM-2 missiles (and maybe SM-6 to follow)
That's it, SM-6 likely to come around in the following 5-yr round.
- do they already have that MH-60 fleet?
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:
Aethulwulf wrote:will include budget for buying SM-2 missiles (and maybe SM-6 to follow)
That's it, SM-6 likely to come around in the following 5-yr round.
- do they already have that MH-60 fleet?
Deliveries of the fleet of 9 MH-60s started in 2016 and is due to be completed in 2018.

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ArmChairCivvy wrote:
Aethulwulf wrote:will include budget for buying SM-2 missiles (and maybe SM-6 to follow)
- do they already have that MH-60 fleet?
Unfortunately yes.....5 delivered...4 to go. I had the misfortune of being among the crew putting the first Danish MH-60s through its IOC and FOC certification process(completed late last year) . IMO the most overrated POS helicopter in the history of rotorcraft!. ...Why it has such a cult following is beyond me.

Its ancient design,outdated electronics and operator station, its piss poor build quality (seriously...fit and finish is almost Russian level bad) , the fact its a hangar queen and a complete maintenance nightmare(the flight engineers HATE it already), the mediocre EO/Flir and inferior navigational system. And its pathetically small passenger/crew cabin which is barely bigger than Lynx's despite the MH-60 being almost twice as large.

Oh and because it doesn't have flotation gear it sinks in about 20-30 seconds....after turning upside down immediately after landing leaving its occupants little to no chance to escape and survive a crash on water. As a result all crew and passengers must have completed helicopter escape training (dunker) before they are allowed onboard!

It also cant operate and take off/land in the same sea state and bad weather that our old lynx could. The Seahawk does have superior range and endurance though, but that is also about the only thing it actually does better.
Needless to say i miss our old navy blue lynx and wished we had chosen the wildcat instead, but this was clearly a political decision dictated solely by our foreign policy considerations.
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:Not so sure the manpower is new,
You are right that a lot of it will be reorganizing and moving around existing troops, however a substantial increase in troop numbers is going to be required nonetheless. The army as it stands currently , simply does not have the personnel needed to fill all the new units being raised and existing ones being strengthened. A side from an additional tank squadron and an artillery unit , completely new capabilities like air defence units needs to be staffed and manned. The all new light infantry battalion alone is going to require at least another 5-600 fresh troops.

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MikeKiloPapa wrote:Needless to say i miss our old navy blue lynx and wished we had chosen the wildcat instead, but this was clearly a political decision dictated solely by our foreign policy considerations
Didn't we have the good fortune of buying some Merlins off you, once the dimensions of the new frigates had been decided (Merlins too big, and flying them off land bases only too restrictive)?
- - I may have mashed this up in my mind/ memory as a few years have passed in-between
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MikeKiloPapa wrote: A side from an additional tank squadron and an artillery unit
Anyone taken the new rally-SPGs for a spin yet? They used to do well (without the gun) in Paris-Dakar (now the gun would not be surplus to requirement, but the whole thing has been moved to S. America).
- and where do you pull extra tanks from (war reserve?)
- the Swedes would have aplenty (120, but only one Bn's worth in use)
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Danish Frigate Niels Juel to Join French Navy Carrier Strike Group
The Royal Danish Navy (Søværnet) Iver Huitfeldt-class frigate Niels Juel (F363) will take part in the protection of the French Navy (Marine Nationale) aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle.
https://www.navalnews.com/news/2019/02/ ... ike-group/

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New semi-automatic 120mm mortar (CARDOM 10 ) on Piranha 5


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MikeKiloPapa wrote:New semi-automatic 120mm mortar (CARDOM 10 ) on Piranha 5
I know Piranha 5 isn't small, but that 120mm isn't rocking it too much either. Does it have a substantial recoil attenuation system?

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Timmymagic wrote:
MikeKiloPapa wrote:New semi-automatic 120mm mortar (CARDOM 10 ) on Piranha 5
I know Piranha 5 isn't small, but that 120mm isn't rocking it too much either. Does it have a substantial recoil attenuation system?
I think all modern systems do have some sort of recoil attenuation system.

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Most vehicle mounts now do in order to mount the weapon on smaller and lighter platforms. The simple Tube/Bipod/Base Plate type still has its use when ground fired and needs to be transported. By the way to any Western nations who use the simple type use the sort of carriage that was used by the Soviet and German 120mm Mortars during WWII?

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Lord Jim wrote:Most vehicle mounts now do in order to mount the weapon on smaller and lighter platforms. The simple Tube/Bipod/Base Plate type still has its use when ground fired and needs to be transported. By the way to any Western nations who use the simple type use the sort of carriage that was used by the Soviet and German 120mm Mortars during WWII?
Like all who still have towed heavy mortars?

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This is a US Army film on the German 120mm Mortar which was a direct copy of the Soviet M1938 120mm Mortar.

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Lord Jim wrote:
This is a US Army film on the German 120mm Mortar which was a direct copy of the Soviet M1938 120mm Mortar.
Yes, modern mortar do use that thpe of carriage but you don't need to dissamble the mortar in between. Here you can see the process.


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I didn't think the mortar had to be disassembled given what I have read elsewhere. I think in the video it is a case of the US troops not knowing how to actually use the captured equipment and relying on how they set up and use their own mortars.

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Danish Air Force buying Raytheon/Thales AN/AQS-22 dipping sonar (Thales France manufactures the system’s hydrophone stave arms, as well as the active transducer system). The Airborne Low Frequency Sonar Systems dipping sonar and sonobuoys, cost estimated at $200M million to equip its nine MH-60R helicopters which replaced its Wasps.

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Didn't the Sea Hawks replace the Westland Lynx the Danes operated?

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Lord Jim wrote:Didn't the Sea Hawks replace the Westland Lynx the Danes operated?
Yes , unfortunately it did. :x
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Iver Huitfeldt class frigates (Denmark)
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Type: Air defence frigate
Displacement: 6,645 tonnes (full load)
Length: 138.7 m (455 ft)
Beam: 19.75 m (64.8 ft)
Draft: 5.3 m (17 ft)
Propulsion: 4 x MTU 8000 20V M70 diesel engines (8,200 kW each). Two shafts, CODAD
Bow thrusters: 1 x 900 kW
Speed: 30 knots (56 km/h; 35 mph)
Range: 9,300 nautical miles (17,200 km; 10,700 mi) at 18 knots (33 km/h; 21 mph)
Auxillary electrical generators: 2 x CAT3512 (1360 kW each), 2 x CAT3508 (920 kW each)
Complement: 165
Crew: 117
Sensors and processing systems:
1 Thales Nederland SMART-L long-range air and surface surveillance radar
1 Thales Nederland APAR air and surface search, tracking and guidance radar (I band)
1 Terma SCANTER 6000 surveillance and helicopter guidance radar
Atlas ASO 94 hull mounted sonar
2 Saab CEROS 200 fire control radars
ES-3701 Tactical Radar Electronic Support Measures (ESM)
Electronic warfare & decoys:
8 × 6-barrelled Terma MK 137 130 mm decoy launchers
Seagnat Mark 36 SRBOC
Armament:
4 × Mk 41 VLS with up to 32 SM-2 IIIA surface-to-air missiles
2 × Mk 56 VLS with up to 24 RIM-162 ESSM
8–16 × Harpoon Block II SSM
1 × Oerlikon Millennium 35 mm Naval Revolver Gun System CIWS
2 × OTO Melara 76 mm
2 × dual MU90 Impact ASW torpedo launchers
Aircraft carried: 1 × MH-60R Seahawk
Aviation facilities: Aft helicopter deck and hangar
Boats carried: 2 x RHIB


Ships in class
1. HDMS Iver Huitfeldt (F361) Laid down: 2 June 2008. Launched: 11 March 2010. Commissioned: 21 January 2011.
2. HDMS Peter Willemoes (F362) Laid down: 12 March 2009. Launched: 21 December 2010. Commissioned: 22 June 2011.
3. HDMS Niels Juel (F363) Laid down: 22 December 2009. Launched: 21 December 2010. Commissioned: 7 November 2011.

Some videos of Denmark's Iver Huitfeldt class frigates.


(Danish Army Lover) 12 September 2015



(Defense & Aerospace Report) 29 November 2016
Capt. Per Hesselberg, the former program manager of the Royal Danish Navy's three Iver Huitfeldt-class frigates who is now the commander of Naval Base Korsoer, discusses the design philosophy behind the novel warships with Defense & Aerospace Report Editor Vago Muradian. The interview took place in the engine room of HDMS Peter Willemoes -- one of three Iver Huitfeldt frigates -- during the ship's recent visit to Baltimore, USA.
^ 10:30: "One diesel, 18 knots, 9000 nautical miles. Two diesels 25 knots. Four diesels about 30 knots."



(Defense & Aerospace Report) 11 January 2017
Capt. (Select) Kristian Haumann, Royal Danish Navy, commanding officer of HDMS Peter Willemoes, discusses the capabilities and attributes of Denmark's Iver Huitfeldt-class frigates with Defense & Aerospace Report Editor Vago Muradian. Denmark built three of the multipurpose ships that accommodate easily changed mission modules for about $325 million each. The frigates displace 6,600 tons, have a range of more than 9,000 miles at 18 knots and are built to NATO warships standards.
^ 28:50: "We have a bow thruster."



(Forsvaret) 2 March 2012
Take around Denmark's first frigate in recent times - and the Navy's largest ship. Technical officer shows around from galley to cannon.


(WarshipTV) 2 May 2019
Royal Danish Navy 'Iver Huitfeldt' class Frigate HDMS Iver Huitfeldt F361 prepares to enter Devonport Naval Base in Plymouth Sound on 21st March 2019.

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SKB wrote:Some videos of Denmark's Iver Huitfeldt class frigates.
SKB, Excellent videos of these Danish frigates. Lots of innovative design features to optimise whole life costs. I hope all of these features will be carried over into the T31 design?

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Yep lovely videos of some great ships.

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Copenhagen shows European solidarity....... with Washington.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/global ... arine-row/
Denmark sides with Biden in submarine row

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J. Tattersall wrote:Copenhagen shows European solidarity....... with Washington.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/global ... arine-row/
Denmark sides with Biden in submarine row
This is the problem if France decides to make this an EU issue rather than a French issue. Plenty of EU nations are very pro-US and don't want to fall out over this so they won't get the backing they imagine they deserve

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