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Lord Jim wrote:Yep the City class is looking more and more like the "Budget" variant of the design. It is also interesting that given the size of our defence budget compared to Canada and Australia how we are buying the fewest and least capable.
I think that's fair criticism until you look at Australia and Canada's carrier strike and strategic nuclear deterrent capabilites. I think that the real utilitary for the RN will be in three of five eyes operating the same basic design as the backbone of their fleet. I think that this will pay off a lot over the next thirty or so years and the UK's defence budget will allows for more substantial upgrades than Canada and Australia might be able to.

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I would not take either Carrier Strike of CASD into account here as we have a substantially bigger defence budget that either nation and with proper management should at least have been able to afford 13 City class.

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1st two ex RAAF Hornets arrived in Canada, after being part of the RAAF contingent at Nevada.

Looks like a good cost saving to the RCAF since the don’t have the cost from Australia for transport. Surprised only two delivered out of the 8 that went across.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national ... the-photos


http://australianaviation.com.au/2019/0 ... -red-flag/

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R686 wrote:Surprised only two delivered out of the 8 that went across.
It is likely that there are some differences in the kit for the pilot/ plane interface "will be integrated into the CF-18 fleet as modifications are completed" and for doing those substitutions there is only so much in-house capacity
- there would have to be a way to swap out units normally, too, if one malfunctions (rather than take the electronics apart there and then)

Just guessing...
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:
R686 wrote:Surprised only two delivered out of the 8 that went across.
It is likely that there are some differences in the kit for the pilot/ plane interface "will be integrated into the CF-18 fleet as modifications are completed" and for doing those substitutions there is only so much in-house capacity
- there would have to be a way to swap out units normally, too, if one malfunctions (rather than take the electronics apart there and then)

Just guessing...
Your most likely right in that respect, I would have thought that the RAAF would have waited until at least a Squadron strength F35 unit would heave been set up before sending any over. But they are most likely looking at future deployments/ exercise and had a small spare capacity window.

Or RCAF said we have them by this date or no deal, well they are money for jam really for AusGov, just hope it goes back into defence and not consolidated revenue

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R686 wrote:Or RCAF said we have them by this date or no deal, well they are money for jam really for AusGov, just hope it goes back into defence and not consolidated revenue
How much time is the RCAF actually managing to buy with the RAAF F-18's? Up to 2030? Realistically when do they have to make a decision on their next fighter (obviously apart from right now...). You'd have thought that F-35 production would be accounted for to 2025 at present by current orders and that orders due in the next year or 2 taking advantage of the start of Full Rate Production would rapidly fill up the next 5 years worth of production. All of those F-16 users are in the same bind in terms of airframe hours, serviceability etc. as the Canadians are for the F-18.

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R686 wrote:Or RCAF said we have them by this date or no deal, well they are money for jam really for AusGov
The work list has now been published; quite a bit
"This means cockpit and communications upgrades, a night vision imaging system, a sniper targeting pod, landing gear modifications, a new ejection seat[ as well as the Air Force paint scheme]."
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:
R686 wrote:Or RCAF said we have them by this date or no deal, well they are money for jam really for AusGov
The work list has now been published; quite a bit
"This means cockpit and communications upgrades, a night vision imaging system, a sniper targeting pod, landing gear modifications, a new ejection seat[ as well as the Air Force paint scheme]."
Have you got a link to the work required, I can understand comms etc to RCAF standard. But what's with the landing gear needing strengthening, for ice or something?

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R686 wrote:Have you got a link to the work required
DID of today (10 am UK time) said this much:
"Two Australian F/A-18A Hornets arrived in Canada on Saturday. The two Hornets are the first of up to 25 aircraft that will be sold to Canada along with spares and support equipment. The Canadian government acquired the 30-year old jets in order of filling a capability gap affecting the Royal Canadian Airforce’s ability to simultaneously meet NORAD and NATO obligations. Originally, Canada had intended to supplement its fleet of 85 Boeing CF(F/A)-18 A/B fighters with 18 new Boeing F/A-18 E/F Super Hornets. This plan was cancelled in favor of the Australian Hornets when Boeing accused Canada’s Bombardier of receiving unfair subsidies from Ottawa. Before the aircraft can be integrated into the Canadian fleet of CF-188 Hornets, they will undergo several modifications in Mirabel, Quebec. They have to be brought to the same operational configuration as the Canadian CF-188 Hornets. This means cockpit and communications upgrades, a night vision imaging system, a sniper targeting pod, landing gear modifications, a new ejection seat as well as the Air Force paint scheme."
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Seems like the Canadians are having their usual issues with defence procurement.

Having made a decision they are now second guessing themselves.

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Saab’ Sea Giraffe AMB Radar Selected for RCN Joint Support Ships
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Saab has received an order for delivery of Sea Giraffe AMB naval radars supporting the Royal Canadian Navy’s new Joint Support Ships. Lockheed Martin Canada has placed the order.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ort-ships/



16th and 17th CH-148 Cyclone Maritime Helicopter Delivered to Canada
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The Royal Canadian Air Force recently welcomed two new CH-148 Cyclone helicopters – the 16th and 17th helicopters delivered under the Maritime Helicopter Project. All 28 are expected to be delivered by December 2021.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... to-canada/

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Happy Canada Day.




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Six New Icebreakers to be Built for Canadian Coast Guard
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The Canadian Coast Guard will be procuring six new program icebreakers to replace its current ageing fleet of icebreakers.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ast-guard/

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xav wrote:Six New Icebreakers to be Built for Canadian Coast Guard
It would make an awful lot of sense for the USCG if they just said double the order with some loose change they found down the back of the sofa...

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Navamar to Supply 5 Ship to Shore Connectors to Royal Canadian Navy
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Canada's Department of National Defence awarded a contract to local shipbuilder Navamar Inc. for the procurement of five ship-to-shore connectors for the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN).

The ship-to-shore connector will be deployed from the Joint Support Ships (JSS) or MV Asterix. They will have an enhanced and robust capability to transfer cargo and equipment from the ship to the shore. They will enable the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) to respond more rapidly to operations and joint actions ashore.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... dian-navy/

Jack of all trades... (JSS really are tankers first and foremost... let alone the converted MV Asterix)

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So they are buying some Mexeflote's good move very useful bit of kit

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Tempest414 wrote:So they are buying some Mexeflote's good move very useful bit of kit
Ahh is that what they are buying, was a little confused with the drawing showing a movable ramp don’t remember that being on mexeflote’s.

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The artist probably looked up ship to shore and saw pictures of Landing Craft so assumed that was what would be on all platforms.

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Halifax Shipyard Launches 2nd AOPS for Royal Canadian Navy
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The Royal Canadian Navy’s second Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ship (AOPS), the future HMCS Margaret Brooke, was launched today, Nov. 10, 2019, at Halifax Shipyard.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... dian-navy/

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https://www.defencetalk.com/canada-look ... ent-75116/

Canada looks to reinstate Saudi arms sales agreement.
Fortune favors brave sir, said Carrot cheerfully.
What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
Oh, noone's ever heard of Fortune favoring them, sir.
According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…

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“Under our law, Canadian goods cannot be exported where there is a substantial risk that they would be used to commit or to facilitate serious violations of international humanitarian law, international human rights law or serious acts of gender-based violence,” he said.

All of the above is how it should be but it is each is open to interpretation by lawyers, with some seeing it a "Zero sum" game, where any civilian casualties caused by military action are class as was crimes under international law regardless of context. Western Governments especially need to grow a pair and be more willing to actually defend the actions of their troops to set multiple precedence, to shut down the Ambulance Chasers, and also shift the blame to the opposition who chose to fight from areas of high civilian numbers, especially in asymmetric situations. We should rightly always try to limit civilian casualties, but not by increasing the risks to our troops or providing the enemy with safe havens.

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Lord Jim wrote:“Under our law, Canadian goods cannot be exported where there is a substantial risk that they would be used to commit or to facilitate serious violations of international humanitarian law, international human rights law or serious acts of gender-based violence,” he said.
If they are serious about that then Saudi Arabia should never be able to buy anything stronger than a slingshot. :think:
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Canadian Cyclone helicopter from HMCS Fredericton crashes near Greece:

https://navaltoday.com/2020/04/30/canad ... ff-greece/

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Oh, noone's ever heard of Fortune favoring them, sir.
According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…

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A couple of interesting short documentaries about aircraft that served the RCAF/CAF during the Cold War.
CF-104
CF-100

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Davie Shipyard Begins Halifax-Class Frigate Mid-Life Refit Program
Quebec-based shipbuilder Davie Shipyard welcomed on 11 August the Royal Canadian Navy Halifax-class frigate HMCS St. John for major refit and upgrade. The event marks the start of a long-term naval maintenance and upgrade program that will keep the Halifax-class frigates operational until the arrival of the Canadian Surface Combatant (CSC) in the 2040s.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... t-program/

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