Apache Attack Helicopter (British Army Air Corps)

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Getting a tad OT now I guess but I also like the concept.

Little recon chopper/uav for the RN with the ability to carry additional munitions to support the Wildcat/Merlin while the army get a recon/vip transport. Marinised of course.

I wonder how it would work if used to replace the Squirrels as the basis for a new training helicopter as well. Maximise commonality.

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MBDA and the Army getting serious about a Brimstone variant for Apache:

Future Attack Helicopter Weapon capability [DSEi15D2]
MBDA UK officials declined to comment specifically on the intended requirement for the missile, but a briefing board on its stand highlighted that the weapon is being developed as a UK sovereign capability with ‘‘specific focus on all defence lines of development for the [British] Army, to deliver an adaptable, effective solution against fast and agile land and maritime threats.’’

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Wrekin762 wrote:MBDA and the Army getting serious about a Brimstone variant for Apache:
About time. Always frustrates me that we have these great weapon systems that are fragmented across the service's so never reach the full potential.
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Tony Osborne on Twitter has said that there is a possibility that a firing trial of Brimstone from Apache will take place before the year is over.

Probably a last ditch attempt to better place Brimstone on the american market, since the US Army justified giving funding to JAGM by saying that Brimstone is not proven on helicopters.

For the British Army, a written answer already months ago had revealed that the idea is to replace Hellfire around 2021 with the Brimstone. But that's quite a long wait.
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A riple fire, from an Apache, would be an award-winning photo
- with CGI we can have it tomorrow!
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reading the Airforces monthly article on what congress has been asked to approve for the British AH64E 50 airframes to be converted, 10 spare engines. And 2 or 3 of other avionics packages.

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10 sets of spare engines,

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Tinman wrote:10 sets of spare engines,
according to the article 10 spare engines

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The Government of the United Kingdom has requested the remanufacture of fifty (50) United Kingdom (UK) WAH-64 Mk 1 Attack Helicopters to AH-64E Apache Guardian Helicopters with one hundred and ten (110) T-700-GE-701D Engines (100 installed and 10 spares), the refurbishment of fifty-three (53) AN/ASQ-170 Modernized Target Acquisition and Designation Sights (M-TADS) (50 installed and 3 spares), the refurbishment of fifty-three (53) AN/AAR-11 Modernized Pilot Night Vision Sensors (PNVS) (50 installed and 3 spares), the refurbishment of fifty-two (52) AN/APG-78 Fire Control Radars (FCR) (50 installed and 2 spares) with fifty-five (55) Radar Electronics Units (Longbow Component) (50 installed and 5 spares), fifty-two (52) AN/APR-48B Modernized Radar Frequency Interferometers (50 installed and 2 spares), sixty (60) AAR-57(V) 3/5 Common Missile Warning Systems (CMWS) with 5th Sensor and Improved Countermeasure Dispenser (50 installed and 10 spares), one hundred and twenty (120) Embedded Global Positioning Systems (GPS) with Inertial Navigation (100 installed and 20 spares), and three hundred (300) Apache Aviator Integrated Helmets.

Also included are AN/AVR-2B Laser Detecting Sets, AN/APR-39D(V)2 Radar Signal Detecting Sets, Integrated Helmet and Display Sight Systems (IHDSS-21), Manned-Unmanned Teaming International (MUMT-I), KOR-24A Link 16 terminals, M206 infrared countermeasure flares, M211 and M212 Advanced Infrared Countermeasure Munitions (AIRCMM) flares, Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) transponders, ammunition, communication equipment, tools and test equipment, training devices, simulators, generators, transportation, wheeled vehicles, organizational equipment, spare and repair parts, support equipment, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $3.00 billion.
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So the 50, per piece, will cost the same again as the originals (v expensive and extensively modified) per piece?
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So what is happening with the other airframes? part-ex?

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arfah wrote: U.K. replenishes Hellfire missiles from U.S.Army stocks.
Iraq must be taking it toll on our stock levels!
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Good to see that finally the MOD is purchasing a big bunch of the sole Romeo variant, which can be used from Reaper and from Apache too, depending on where it is needed.
Last time a big request was made, in 2013, the MOD was still (dumbly) purchasing separate stocks of the high altitude variant for Reaper.

Progress.
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You see, a bureaucrat can never approve any expenditure without an operational plan to support it (what-if is a bridge too far).

So, now there is an operational plan (no If's; no But's undsoweiter?) so that the idiotics (note: not a known, pointing at anyone, at least directly) can be steered out of the ditch, whereto the previous decision making clearly was pointing us.
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A piccie of the "Apache equivalent" purchased by Algeria:
https://77rus.smugmug.com/Military/MAKS ... rt5-37.jpg

I wonder
- how many for the price of one?
- and if any of the sensors have their origin in the West (photo taken in an exhibition in Russia)?
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shark bait wrote:
arfah wrote: U.K. replenishes Hellfire missiles from U.S.Army stocks.
Iraq must be taking it toll on our stock levels!
Are we using Hellfire in Iraq?

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Tinman wrote:
shark bait wrote:
arfah wrote: U.K. replenishes Hellfire missiles from U.S.Army stocks.
Iraq must be taking it toll on our stock levels!
Are we using Hellfire in Iraq?
Yep, from Reaper.

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Hopefully Protector will get around to integrating Brimstone, finally.

And around 2021, on current plans, Hellfire should be gone from Apache as well, expected to be replaced by Brimstone again. But unti then...
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I take it the Apache did not circle three times, which would be closer to
"took his Hawker Hunter FGA.9 (XF442) ground-attack, single-seater jet fighter over London at low level, circled the Houses of Parliament three times[3] as a demonstration against Prime Minister Harold Wilson's government,[2] dipped his wings over the Royal Air Force Memorial on the Embankment[3] and finally flew under the top span of Tower Bridge."
- no need to protest, things are moving in the right direction
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Apache to Fire Brimstone This Year
The first firing of a Brimstone missile from a Boeing AH-64E Apache is planned for later this year as part of a feasibility study funded by the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD), MBDA officials have confirmed.
Read More: https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/roto ... tone-year/ (paywalled)

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Its about time :!:

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