Apache Attack Helicopter (British Army Air Corps)

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Nice to see a programme actually delivering the goods on time and budget. Great to see though.

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Lord Jim wrote: 04 Dec 2021, 16:07 Nice to see a programme actually delivering the goods on time and budget. Great to see though.

Did you go through FMS or government to vendor direct

I have noticed that when the ADF buys through FMS it’s pretty straight forward but when we buy Euro it nearly always seems to bite us on the arse MRTT seems to be the exception

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I think we went through FMS for the Apache rebuild programme.

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I don't think anyone has ever really complained about the FMS process. It's insanely straight forward. The US gov buys it like it would for its own force and presto add a fee and bam done.

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sunstersun wrote: 06 Dec 2021, 00:38 I don't think anyone has ever really complained about the FMS process. It's insanely straight forward. The US gov buys it like it would for its own force and presto add a fee and bam done.
You think wrong. There have been complaints about it's process and high cost. It's used mostly because the buyer country either has no procurement process or has one that's even less efficient and more expensive (cough, UK, cough). Plus, of course, the knowledge of US methods, law, industry etc.

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It does make the paper work easier, ut you rite a bigger cheque as a result.


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Now, suddenly, they are in a hurry (the Apache fleet is perfectly operational, and will be for a number of years). But buy American means buy also American weapons
... have we (not :shh: ) seen that with the F-35

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What capability gap? We still have stocks of Hellfire don't we. Couldn't we have kept using those whilst waiting for Brimstone 3 integration. False economy and a bad decision in my mind.
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We were never going to win exports for brimstone in Apache. Brimstone best selling point is it's optimisation for fast air. Hopefully the Germans, French and Pole's will finally commit to buying them as they don't have the luxury of developing their own in 10 years time.
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It’s not about export wins,it similar logistics across services, increased volume leading to reduced cost, access to development funding across services, and national resilience in expendables. We don’t make hellfire or what they’ve selected, we do manufacture brimstone we can flex its production as required exports are a bonus.

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SW1 wrote: 07 Mar 2022, 17:59 It’s not about export wins,it similar logistics across services, increased volume leading to reduced cost,
Yes, I wonder if the agency for development and purchasing still has these Capability Directors (seconded from the Forces) that were meant to address these synergies (in deciding which capabilty, overall, would be the best fit and of best value)?
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We didn't have to go with the US missile either, we could have joined the users of the Spike family as the IDF uses variants of their Spike to equip its Apaches, so few if any integration costs for the MoD. We already use Extractor which can be loaded onto the Apache and Spike-LR2 would be a very good weapon to install on any IFV we bring into service. The family could cover all levels of ATGW usage, so a replacement for Javelin which is a generation behind, and is in its ER2 form the only networked ATGW currently in service, making it a good Overwatch weapon system. Spike is rapidly becoming the most popular ATGW in NATO with many nations adopting it and it is made in Europe as well.

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Lord Jim wrote: 08 Mar 2022, 01:46 We already use Extractor which can be loaded onto the Apache
Can be loaded on Wildcat... but is there a precedent with Apache?
Lord Jim wrote: 08 Mar 2022, 01:46 it is made in Europe as well
Sales companies (Switzerland, Lux...) do not make stuff. They just things make up, and provide a smoke screen for those buyers who pretend (to their voters) that Israeli stuff is not in play.
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The Israeli Air Force have the option to equip their Apaches with various members of the Spike Family. They initally used Hellfire but developed the Spike family to be superior in guidance and range to name but two categories. Spike-MR and Spike-LR are manufactured in Europe, Germany I believe though it may be Poland. It was one of the key requirements for a number of NATO countries to adopt the missile family.

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(Forces News) 13th July 2022
A new Apache AH-64 attack helicopter is headed for the British Army, offering a full-colour, bigger picture of the battlefield and improved ways of affecting it.

This newly operational E model has a top speed of 186 mph, a new software overhaul to allow for greater target acquisition and is expecting new 'Romeo' variant Hellfire missiles.

Fifty of the new models are set to join the Army by 2025, with nearly £300m invested in the first delivery of the aircraft so far.

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