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Caribbean wrote:don't forget, for every winner, there's a loser.
78% of retail LOSE money
... more difficult to get that statistic for FX

Anyway. another type of loss:
"Jo Johnson says he’s leaving the government and the House of Commons due to ‘unresolvable tension’ between ‘family loyalty and the national interest’["]
- what's the latest from the sister (I know, wrong thread... a different party)?
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Oopps. this
"Government documents revealed that Johnson had described David Cameron as a 'girly swot'."
will certainly change some lines in DC's memoires... still to come out"
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:will certainly change some lines in DC's memoires... still to come out
Will anyone actually buy it?
The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.
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Caribbean wrote:
ArmChairCivvy wrote:will certainly change some lines in DC's memoires... still to come out
Will anyone actually buy it?
My favourite read: fiction!
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:My favourite read: fiction!
Must be my first quote from newstatesman.com, but here goes
" as Britain is convulsed by the Brexit turmoil that he triggered, David Cameron is about to emerge from three years of purdah in order to promote his long-delayed memoirs, For The Record.

[...] Much of the population consider him the most disastrous prime minister of modern times – with only his two successors coming close.They see him as the man who ordered a referendum on a bewilderingly complex issue of profound national importance for which there was little public clamour, simply to hold his party together; who was so arrogant and complacent that he allowed the outcome to be decided by a simple majority"
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:who was so arrogant and complacent that he allowed the outcome to be decided by a simple majority"
There is a video clip somewhere of Cameron telling Junker that Remain will win 80% of the vote, to which Junker replies "not even Luxembourg would be that much in favour".
I think Cameron genuinely believed that there was no possibility of Leave winning and didn't want to leave the Eurosceptics with any basis to complain about "rigging" the result. I guess it also shows the disconnect between Westminster and the electorate - had he realised how sentiment genuinely lay, I'm pretty sure he would not have held the referendum, since winning only because the supermajority was not reached would have been seen as a moral victory for the Eurosceptics and would simply have fuelled the fires.
To me, Cameron was a classic case of someone who wanted to be Prime Minister, but when he got there, didn't have the faintest idea what he wanted to do next.
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As I try to frame most things in terms of weighing relative risks (before taking any action), I will be combing the book reviews for "cavalier attitude to risk taking" or any paraphrasing of the same
"offhand and often disdainful dismissal of important matters"
- does that definition ring the bell in the context of any of the latest PM actions
- where was such an attitude baked into these guys (a slightly leading question?) when being the PM is all about stewardship (not only of the voters of today, but the people and the nation's place 'tomorrow')
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will be combing the book reviews for "cavalier attitude to risk taking" or any paraphrasing of the same
And also what will be said ("on Thursday") about Murdoch and Black, based on this:
https://news.sky.com/video/david-camero ... e-11809959
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There seem to be letters being typed to 8 Conservative MPs, as in

but they have not been posted (as yet :) )
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Doesn't that assume that most of those who voted to ensure we couldn't leave without a deal would vote against a deal if one was available. Surely that would mean that all the hullabaloo in Parliament about not leaving without a deal was simply a ploy to try and prevent us leaving at all. Are so many of our representatives in Parliament so cynical that they would use such a ploy? Especially given the result of the referendum and of course the manifestoes most of them fought the last election on.

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Before yesterday's debacle, this
"The government’s motion calling for a three-day recess next week for Tory conference has been voted down by 306 votes to 289."
would probably have passed, in the name of fairness.

++++++++++
Talking about fairness, abt 2 dozen posts back I was one short of 10 500, and now the dozens have moved in the wrong direction... is this
- archiving at work (in the background)
- or some sort of selective cencorship, snipping here and there, without anyone noticing?
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Boris plan coming... will it get DUP'ed, like what tended to happen with Theresa May?
- never mind the 'other' Irish
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Paul Waugh, late on Tuesday starts by finding a parallel in what has already happened in the Labour Party: "Karie Murphy, who has been moved to a new role ahead of that election [as] her ‘freelancing’ has actually made life much harder for her boss. I’m told the final straw was the devastating critique by former policy chief Andrew Fisher, combined with Murphy’s role in Jon Lansman’s attempt to topple Tom Watson as deputy leader. I understand Corbyn was most shocked to learn some things had apparently been done in his name when he had not given any direct approval."

Will that now be repeating in what that infamous ‘No.10 source’ first told broadcasters “It means a deal is essentially impossible not just now but ever.” and Boris trying to straighten it out with "“you shouldn’t believe what you read - you should listen to what I say instead”?
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First an election budget... then pulling it: just kidding?

A bit like the brexit deal: win the vote; stop the next steps
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The question whether D. Cummings is a party member or not seems to have gone away, but might come back when trying to assess the veracity of conflicting claims, as reported here:
Nigel Farage claimed the Conservatives offered jobs and peerages to his Brexit Party ...[and] said the alleged move by the Tories was “bordering on corruption”, suggesting that it came from people “who work deep inside Number 10”, rather than from the PM. The Conservative party denied the claims.

... or is it just choreographed, in order to generate so much noise that other parties' messages are crowded out?
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Has Boris lost control of the Torygraph? He has repeatedly insisted that he will be able to secure a trade agreement by the end of 2020.

But "In a letter published in the Daily Telegraph on Wednesday, a dozen trade experts accused U.K. politicians of setting “arbitrary deadlines” and making unrealistic promises about future trade deals.

The letter, whose signatories include Alan Winters of the U.K. Trade Observatory and David Tinline, a former senior adviser to the World Trade Organization’s director-general, said that “if the U.K. wants to benefit from high quality trade deals and to lead on the global stage, a major shift in approach is required. It’s time to get serious.”["]
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:The question whether D. Cummings is a party member or not seems to have gone away, but might come back when trying to assess the veracity of conflicting claims, as reported here:
Nigel Farage claimed the Conservatives offered jobs and peerages to his Brexit Party ...[and] said the alleged move by the Tories was “bordering on corruption”, suggesting that it came from people “who work deep inside Number 10”, rather than from the PM. The Conservative party denied the claims.

... or is it just choreographed, in order to generate so much noise that other parties' messages are crowded out?

Yep I agree getting the best trade deal should be on every ones lips if it takes longer than so be it as once it’s signed the EU is not going to bend it’s will. The WA and trade deal are two different beasts.

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This must now be seen just as an opening shot
"On November 19 the Tory press office was warned by Twitter that they face 'decisive corrective action' if they repeat a name-change stunt they pulled during the ITV election debate." as the Tories by now are at war with both ITV and BBC
... just that they can't (threaten to) revoke Twitters license :crazy:

Boris seems to have stated [allegedly] already well before all this happened that he will never set foot in an ITV studio... sounds much like CNN having their press pass to the White House withdrawn
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This one https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2019-50722828 is so funny as the audience know that they are on camera and try to play it safe, not to smile/ laugh at the wrong time. So only when Boris has a go at Jeremy (over Brexit, of course), do they feel sure that it is safe to laugh/ smile
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Conservatives win 2019 General Election

(Sky News) 13th December 2019

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As Boris and Putin will get close in Berlin today, it is a pity that we are still awaiting for the "All the President's Men" report by the Intelligence Committee to be released
... the excuse that it was too sensitive for discussion during the elections has definitely gone away by now

May be the 'other party' gets to proof read it first :)
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I wonder about the wisdom to send Chief Whips (now Julian Smith) to the back benches
... and coming onto this thread reminded me (in the form of the post above) that the report on Russian influencing is still gathering dust. Will it ever see daylight?
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Whoever gets this post, the Secretary of State for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (if it will be ONE post) will have a tough time, with UK's image at stake with the climate conference - making it run, rather than a big chaos - and the first cave-in in the EU trade negotiations due in less than half a year from now.
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Both Constitution 2.0 and Civil Service 2.0 are being targeted by the current Gvmnt. As we know nothing about the likely outcomes, let's have a test run, with a case that is playing out in front of our very eyes and is of more than trivial importance.
- Pls see the end of quote for the source, and also excuse :D my underlinings and bolding:

"First, special advisers [David Frost being one, for Brexit, err, no that already happened :wtf: ] are supposed (at least formally) to keep their mouths shut. The special adviser code says they should “normally” steer clear of public utterances on controversial issues. The fact that no one has taken any action against Frost, indeed that his speech has been lauded, suggests that he has cover for the exception. But is he talking for himself? For the PM—who made his own pitch the week before? Or for the government—did any other minister have a chance to comment?

Second, Frost cannot answer questions from MPs or make statements on the floor of the House. Who do MPs get to quiz when they want to interrogate the latest UK negotiating position? Is PMQs the only option? Will Michael Gove pick this up at Cabinet Office questions?

Third, will Frost appear before select committees? The Exiting the EU Committee is in the process of being re-established despite the loss of the department it shadows. The Lords EU committee is up and running. Brexit secretaries had their run-ins with select committees over their hesitancy to appear—but ultimately they showed up, sometimes in to-be-treasured double acts with Robbins.

If Frost does not show up, will scrutiny have to focus on the civil servants who work with him, or whoever is deemed to be his official boss (Mark Sedwill? Or the successor to Cabinet Office permanent secretary John Manzoni?) Or will parliament have to rely on the prime minister finally accepting an invitation from the Liaison Committee, which expects to grill leaders regularly but has so far been rebuffed?

And finally, has Frost been given authority over the civil servants who form his “Task Force Europe”? Special advisers are not supposed to manage civil servants, so how does that work?

None of these questions mean that David Frost is the wrong person for the job. But they do suggest that Sedwill and the PM have some work to do to clarify how Frost’s role is intended to work in practice—and how it fits with the current adviser code. And if that code is no longer fit for purpose, they need to tell us and revise it."

By Jill Rutter, senior fellow at The UK in a Changing Europe. This piece was originally published by Prospect Magazine.
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