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Our team was covering DIMDEX in Qatar last week.

Our news article can be found here: http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... -news.html
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Qatar to procure Raytheon's RIM-116C Rolling Airframe Missiles for its Navy
Qatar will procure Raytheon RIM-116C and RIM-116C-2 Rolling Airframe Missiles after the US State Department approved the possible Foreign Military Sale. The new missiles will be used for the protection of naval forces and nearby oil/gas infrastructure from air and missile threats.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=3905

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Qatar may be procuring MK V Patrol Boats from US Shipbuilder USMI
According to a Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) release, The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Qatar for Mk-V Fast Patrol Boats, equipment, training, and support. The estimated cost is $124.02 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale on August 19, 2016.
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arfah wrote:4bn $ deal with Boeing for 36x F15's and 24x F/A18's.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0XF2KU

Subject to congress approval.
The latest (civil aviation side full of statements how Boeing can build passenger jets... and Airbus "not so much"):
"Qatar Airlines have denied that their recent $18.6 billion jetliner deal with Boeing is tied to a potential sale of 36 F-15s to Qatar. Speaking at a press conference in Washington DC, Qatar Airways CEO Akbar Al Baker told reporters that the company "has this independent policy ordering airplanes. So nothing is attached to anything.” Last week, Reuters reported that this deal for commercial aircraft was put on hold since July by the Qatari government to put pressure on Washington to approve the fighter purchase."

from DID of today
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Not sure if this is the correct thread to ask this question but:

Can any one explain why you would choose an F15 over an F18 or vice versa?

looking at the stats to me unless you have to fly off of a carrier the F15 is Superior?

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Clive F wrote:why you would choose an F15 over an F18 or vice versa?
With an F-15 you get both an air-superiority fighter (albeit a bit aged) and in a different version one of the finest long-legged strike a/c there is ( the other one being Su-34)
- The empty weight of Su-34 is near 22000 kg, which is nearly 52% heavier than F-15E
- in the "good old" Soviet days car production was measured in tons, not in units, but may be the technology gap has something to do with these metrics

You did not specify which F-18 (exists in two different generations), but regardless:
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- having said that, not a bad one (and you can add Growlers onto the same logs/ maintenance chain)
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Thanks ArmChairCivy, So why does Australia, potentially Canada and others buy the super Hornet? Is it a lot cheaper to purchase / operate? Is it for Growler?

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Canada and Australia both operate the first gen Hornets, so transition to the Super Hornet is a lot easier. Plus, the operating costs of a F-15 would be higher than a SH.

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Thanks Little J

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It took the Americans two weeks to find out that the Gulf crisis was not about shia/ sunni, but about the Muslim Brotherhood, so a sunni-internal affair.

AKP being the "brother party" and the only such in power (we have seen what they do with it, once being successful in grabbing power). Thus Turkey sternly standing in support of Qatar. What the Qatar connection (and motive?) with the Brotherhood connection is... that will be a revelation on the scale of the '70s attack on Mecca (revealing that the stern Wahhabi rulers face an opposition of zealots internally; more so than from the modernisers).

Of course no one had the authority to stop Mr. POTUS from resorting to twitter (he may regret it now... and if he chooses the wrong side Prince al-Waleed may close down his twitter account. Another billionaire to face down: Jeff of Washington Post, which is his private property, and the the telco king of Mexico (richer than Bill Gates) who is the main mover and shaker in New York Times (ownership).
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It does seem interesting that no one seems to care about the funding that ISIS gets from Saudi non-governmental sources. Could the actions against Qatar be a way of keeping attention way from this.

More worrying I think it is becoming a possibility that Saudi Arabia could become the Sunni version of Iran, in a doomsday scenario, with both countries going head to head. The USA got burnt with Iran, with the vast amounts of arms sold to that country. Imagine if Saudi Arabia went the same way with the Religious leaders taking charge.

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LordJim wrote:It does seem interesting that no one seems to care about the funding that ISIS gets from Saudi non-governmental sources. Could the actions against Qatar be a way of keeping attention way from this.

More worrying I think it is becoming a possibility that Saudi Arabia could become the Sunni version of Iran, in a doomsday scenario, with both countries going head to head. The USA got burnt with Iran, with the vast amounts of arms sold to that country. Imagine if Saudi Arabia went the same way with the Religious leaders taking charge.

First paragraph- of course it is, just a smoke screen.

Second- don't worry, Saudis aren't capable to operate them NOW without of plenty of foreign "assistance", now try to imagine that if under international sanctions and without such "assistance". :lol:
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If you follow the Iranian example though, yes they dropped in technology but still managed to keep thing going, the still have a dozen or so F-14 flying! I think their biggest road block is their lack of manpower, something Iran has in spades, so unless the Pakistani and Bangladeshi air forces suddenly lose all their pilots and a large chunk of their armies I think we are safe.

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LordJim wrote:If you follow the Iranian example though, yes they dropped in technology but still managed to keep thing going, the still have a dozen or so F-14 flying! I think their biggest road block is their lack of manpower, something Iran has in spades, so unless the Pakistani and Bangladeshi air forces suddenly lose all their pilots and a large chunk of their armies I think we are safe.

Meh, you do know the general technical level of the Arabs in general? ( with maybe exception of Iraq during Saddam )
Well, the Saudis are 10x worse than that. They are an apotheosis of everything that's not good with Arabic military forces...
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LordJim wrote:unless the Pakistani [and Bangladeshi air forces suddenly lose all their pilots and a] large chunk of their armies
You do remember when Riyadh was secured by two Pakistani divisions based close to it (and all Saudi army units
far away)?
- these days of course it is the Saudi NG that has that function (oddly the rounds they use will not fit into the army small arms... if you get my drift)

Even though the Pakistanis have gone home, the Saudis have financed their "bomb" and ,allegedly, have an option on "it" in times of need

But Saudis and Qataris... today on opposing sides?
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al-Jazeera's counter-strike:

" Trump made a strategic decision to reverse Obama's policy towards the Middle East and has committed his administration to support Saudi Arabia, Israel, Egypt and the UAE against Sunni extremism and Iranian clerics.

This meant creating the right conditions for rapprochement between Israel, the UAE, Egypt and Saudi Arabia; the so-called "outside-in" approach to resolving - or rather dissolving - the Palestinian issue. The fact that this effort is headed by Trump's inexperienced, radically Zionist son-in-law, Jared Kushner, who maintains close relations with both Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, speaks volumes. We are witnessing an "unholy trinity" that's bound to destroy any hope for regional stability.

Worse, instead of leading an already quite disastrous regional coalition against Iran, Trump lazily entrusted this new strategy to his reckless junior allies. This is exactly what his predecessor, President Barack Obama, rejected. Obama refused to be dragged into petty squabbles and regional confrontations."
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Tillerson has dedicated the rest of the week to shuttle diplomacy. The guardian reports this take-away from Doha "Rex Tillerson, the US secretary of state, has lavished praise on the isolated Gulf state of Qatar after it became the first regional power to sign a new memorandum of understanding with Washington on tracking the flow of terrorist financing."
and today the other "side" is meeting in Riyadh[EDIT: Reuters says Jeddah], with Tillerson attending. We will see...
- it is clear that without such tracking the sudden emerging of 5.000 well armed rebels in location x will repeat. France has already extended itself thin in combatting that in the Sahel, from the Atlantic to the Sudan (and giving up on Ivory Coast as a basket case, to relieve some resourcing issues), but from there to the East, at least to Waziristan it is a real, unconnected patch work (= lots of potential)
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Thanks Frenchie, good news for everybody (not leaving good solutions orphaned and, hence, with unduly expensive over-the-life support, including upgrades):

"What turret system will arm the Qatari’s IFV variant is also still unknown. However, it is understood that Nexter trialled the VBCI with its new two-man T40 turret to a Middle East customer in 2015, which was most likely Qatar.

The T40 turret will equip the French Army’s next-generation Jaguar 6x6 vehicle, which is being procured along with the Griffon as part of the service’s Scorpion programme.

This turret is armed with the 40mm stabilised Cased Telescoped Armament System (CTAS) developed by CTA International, a joint venture between BAE Systems and Nexter. Lockheed Martin UK, which also manufactures a 40mm CTAS turret for the British Army’s Ajax and Warrior, might also try and pitch a turret solution to Qatar.

The French Army currently utilises a conventional one-man 25mm turret for its VBCI fleet, but could adopt the T40 in the future. "
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If they go for the CT40, nice bonus to the UK as well from the shared ownership and manufacturing of the gun/ammo too.

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Qatar announces order for 24 Typhoon and separately an extra 12 Rafale as mentioned in the VCBI order link above. Good news for BAE
.https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/qatar-a ... -aircraft/
BAE Systems and Qatar have agreed a contract for 24 Typhoon jets.

The contract, valued at approximately £5bn, is for the supply of Typhoon aircraft to the Qatar Emiri Air Force along with a bespoke support and training package.

BAE say that the contract is subject to financing conditions and receipt of the first payment, which is expected to be fulfilled no later than mid-2018.

The contract provides for 24 Typhoon aircraft with delivery expected to commence in late 2022.

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