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Tempest414 wrote:In both the image and the video in yourlink ( not in mine ) show the missile coming out of tubes with mushroom removed i.e flat tops
Your right for CAMM I was right for Seawolf I stand corrected


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Rationale for mushrooms:



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While that does show the need for additional protection, over and above that of the frangible launch tube covers, it also illustrates the problem with the mushrooms. In wartime threats can appear suddenly with little warning, so do you remove the mushrooms in order to react quickly to threats, risking damage to the launch tubes/missiles. Or do you keep them in place protecting the missiles ensuring they are serviceable when needed, but risk being caught unprepared to respond to a surprise attack.
In practice the Captain will no doubt vary the number of mushrooms fitted, depending on the the situation. Why they cant just fit hatches is beyond me.

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I am not against your point. Giving them a proper cover = say, replace them with ExLS stand-alone systems will be very good. It will also improve CAMM's export success.

On the other hand, it is nothing new. The same from the Sea Wolf era, which had a flat steel panel covered on the launcher.

I understand, regardless of how high the sea state is, when in war zone the mushroom cap will be removed. Corrosion may be an issue, so reducing the exposed time will be important, but I understand the "naked tube (actually a box)" itself is water-tight.

This is the same for Phalanx. I see some cases there gatling-guns are covered, and some cases not.

In general, it is the same to car maintenance? You can leave it on field, but better to take it into covered garage. It just means you need "better/intensive maintenance" after the systems were exposed to (sea)water for long.

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donald_of_tokyo wrote:On the other hand, it is nothing new. The same from the Sea Wolf era, which had a flat steel panel covered on the launcher.
The budding :) naval architect in me tells me that we have moved to 'twist tops' :?:
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Could that be a reason on the T26 that CAMM is higher up?

Would they use the covers on the forward mushrooms, but not cover them up on the midship CAMM ?

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Documentary: HMS Lancaster The Queen's Own Ship


Made in 1992, running time 45 minutes.

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Good news.

So, virtually, HMS Argyll is to replace to-be-decommissioned-soon Monmouth and Montrose.

See also https://www.navylookout.com/when-will-t ... estroyers/

In other words, Royal Navy escort fleet is almost avoiding any cuts?
Will lose one T23 in 2022. But, in 2025, both the 1st T26 and T31 will be handed over to RN (although not "in service" until 2027).
In other words, "RN escorts flying white ensign" actually going above 19 in 2025?


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(Navy Lookout) 8th May 2021
HMS Richmond conducting Replenishment at Sea with RFA Tidespring

(Navy Lookout) 11th May 2021
HMS Lancaster sailed to join up with HMS Albion and RFA Mounts Bay on the Littoral Response Group (North) deployment to Norway and the Baltic. Video: Portsmouth Proud

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Hello All
New to the Forum but been an avid follower of UK Defence for a couple of years now. So looking forward to contributing to the debates.

I just have a quick query regarding CSG21 and the Type 23 frigates being deployed. If I am correct the ships will be hosting Lynx Wildcat! I assumed that as the ships role is ASW, that they would deploy with Merlin. Does anyone know why Wildcat? Is this due to a shortage of Merlins (30 is way to few for RN) or is there some other operational reason i.e. Air to Surface engagement!

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I think you've probably answered your own question. There are only 30 Merlin in the entire fleet and Wildcat adds another tool to the box with its interim Martlet/Sea Venom mix.

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The Merlins will be more efficiently supported and operated from the carrier. Not sure it has much to do with Merlin numbers.

If a T23 needs a Merlin for a period, one can be easily deployed.

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Nice view of the mushrooms ..

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Also of the astern replenishment taking place

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Xav's just posted an excellent video from DEFEA 2021 in Athens about the Hellenic frigate programme (I want his job).

I think that most of us assumed that if the UK was offering an interim solution it had to be Type 23, but is this the first time it's been confirmed?



Babcock interview starts around 10:00.

We don't really learn anything new about Type 31/Arrowhead.

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Which t23? Aren't the first ones to go knackered?

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Which T23s are in refit at the moment? The Greeks would likely want a fresher ship than Montrose.

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tomuk wrote:Which T23s are in refit at the moment? The Greeks would likely want a fresher ship than Montrose.
https://www.navylookout.com/progress-re ... -frigates/

HMS Argyll maybe? Ended refit in Feb 2017 and going out of service in 2023 or maybe even HMS Lancaster. Both have went though the LIFEX refit but are out of service soon.

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No mushroom caps heading for the SCS...

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Ron5 wrote:No mushroom caps heading for the SCS...
Wise move.

I am absolutely sure that the OPV's will do the same.

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