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HMS Argyll .. her final refit - due to emerge in 2023 extended in service until 2027/8.



Looking at the table in this report (https://www.navylookout.com/progress-re ... -frigates/)

(as of 2020)
  • Frigate LIFEX start / end / Out of service date
    HMS Argyll 2015 / Feb 2017 / 2023
    HMS Montrose 2015 / July 2017 / 2027
Clearly, HMS Argyll and Montrose were swapping each other... Reasonable choice, looks like. In other words,
- Monmonth was lost, yes
- but Montrose was NOT lost, just changed her name as HMS Argyll, so to say?
Better than we thought, I guess.
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At last, the crew of HMS Argyll walkted into HMS IronDuke.

Almost sure that, HMS Montrose's crew, when she came back to UK for decommissioning in 2023, will walk into HMS Argyll.


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Is Monmouth to be the target ?

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So we are going to use our obsolete weapons in this exercise :eh:

Wouldn't it be better to wait for NSM to build up some real world use with the missile?

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Jdam wrote: 13 Jul 2022, 10:25 So we are going to use our obsolete weapons in this exercise :eh:

Wouldn't it be better to wait for NSM to build up some real world use with the missile?
Hmm, shall we use old weapons that are about to go out of service, have little value, and would otherwise have to be expensively dismantled and disposed of?

Or shall we use brand new ones that we’ll get in limited numbers, will cost a fortune, but we don’t actually have yet?

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Monmouth in Portsmouth Harbour....
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Looks like there are white (gray) mushrooms and dark (black) mushrooms.

Just for fun.


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(Forces News) 15th August 2022
Royal Navy warship HMS Lancaster has set sail for the start of a three-year deployment to the Middle East.

The Type 23 frigate is being forward deployed to Bahrain. It means the ship will not return home after the traditional six or 9-month deployment - instead, the ship's company will change every four months.

It will allow more time to be spent on patrol, with maintenance being carried out in the region rather than back in the UK.


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Nothing new, but the movie make me feel, adding 1-m on top of the "mushrooms" to accommodate CAMM-ER looks "doable" at least. May be mixed carriage could be considered (CAMM-ER shall be expensive than CAMM). How about,
- T23: 8 CAMM-ER and 24 CAMM (3 LMS box for CAMM and 1 for ER)
- T26: 12 CAMM-ER and 36 CAMM (3 LMS box for CAMM and 3 for ER)
- T31: 12 CAMM (or 24 CAMM)
- T45: 24 CAMM, in addition to 48 Aster30 Blk1

T31 is close-in warefare specialist, so CAMM-ER is not must. T45 has Aster30 for long-range AAW, so no need for CAMM-ER.

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Good thing that Harpoon capability was (looks like) confirmed.


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(Navy Lookout) 23rd September 2022
HMS Westminster, a Wildcat helicopter, three RAF Typhoon jets and a US Navy P-8A Poseidon aircraft launched a variety of weapons, sinking the former USS Boone during exercise Atlantic Thunder held on 7th September.
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(Forces News) 24th Spetember 2022
The Royal Navy and Royal Air Force, alongside their US counterparts, have shown off their impressive firepower by obliterating an ex-US Navy warship during a training exercise.

HMS Westminster, a Wildcat helicopter and three RAF Typhoon fast jets unleashed what the Royal Navy described as 'fire and fury' on the decommissioned USS Boone using a range of high-powered weaponry.

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I forgot if HMS Westminster up-keep period could include PGMU, replacing Paxman diesel with MTU?


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Westminster was down to have PGMU but unsure if still going ahead with the changes to T23 lifetimes eg Argyll is in upkeep now but was due to be retired next year. It is extended to 2027 but no PGMU?. Lancaster the other planned non PGMU T23 is off to the Gulf.

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Very informative image of HMS Lancaster.

- 8 Harpoons are mounted.
- detail of the Harpoon's exhaust scheme is clearly seen
- CAMM has its mushroom hat taken off. And, it is clear that ALL 32-cell are mounted. In a few years ago, T23 with SeaWolf carried only a fraction of their 32-cells filled with the SeaWolf missile. Now, it looks like in ALL cases we see the mushroom hat taken off, there is 32-cell CAMM loaded. Good thing.

see twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1585987358771527680

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KIPION T23GP will see turn-over.


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I know she has served for 30 years and that she has been run hard in the last few years. But it is still a shame that the RN does nt have sufficient crew to be able to use Montrose even in a reduced role just serving in UK waters. Decommissioning Montrose will leave RN with just 11 Frigates in total, less 3 in LIFEX means at most 8 Frigates i service..... :)

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As the crew of Montrose will fill the T23 coming back fromLIFEX, your argument also states number of active escorts will not decrease. As such I think RN priority is more on man power, especially the retention rate.

Buying ammo comes the next.

T32 discussion must be terminated, I think. Priority is far far below.

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donald_of_tokyo wrote: 06 Nov 2022, 02:48 As the crew of Montrose will fill the T23 coming back fromLIFEX, your argument also states number of active escorts will not decrease. As such I think RN priority is more on man power, especially the retention rate.

Buying ammo comes the next.

T32 discussion must be terminated, I think. Priority is far far below.
Whilst I agree that manpower and stockpiles need to be a focus, it cannot be at the expense of brining on the T32.

Why? Because it is designed to play a needed and unique role in MCM and amphibious operations, plus could alleviate manpower issues with a lower crew requirement. If you want to focus funds and manpower kill the “make up numbers” T31, but not the T32.
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