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Lord Jim wrote:Do the Greeks still have those very large Russian built hovercraft operational?
IIRC, there was some talk about selling them to China a few years ago?
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Head of Greek Defense Procurement Agency Visited Naval Group
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The General Director of the GDDIA (the Hellenic defense procurement agency) Vice Admiral (ret.) Kyriakos Kyriakidis, visited Naval Group's headquarters on the sidelines of the Paris Air Show. The meeting took place just weeks after GDDIA submitted an LOI to France in connection with the procurement of two Belharra frigates from Naval Group by the Hellenic Navy.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... val-group/

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Greece buys 7 MH-60R helicopters for 600 mil. USD:

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/25128 ... SnVKeszaUk
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What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
Oh, noone's ever heard of Fortune favoring them, sir.
According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…

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6th Roussen-class FACM for the Hellenic Navy Started Sea Trials
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The Hellenic Navy's sixth of seven Super Vita / Roussen-class fast attack craft missile (FACM) started sea trials.
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The vessel, with hull number P 78, was launched on 1 June 2018 at Elefsis Shipyard.

The story of the Hellenic Navy’s Super Vita is complex and spans across many years:

A contract for the construction of three modern missile boats was signed in January 2000. The construction took place at the Elefsis Shipyards, while Vosper Thornycroft (now BAE Systems Maritime) provided the design, logistical support and equipment for the ships. On August, 2003 and September, 2008 options that provided the acquisition of four more vessels were activated with the last ship to be commissioned in 2015...
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ea-trials/

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France & Greece Working on G-to-G Agreement for Multi-Mission Frigates
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France and Greece are actively working on a Government-to-Government agreement for the procurement of two Belharra / FDI frigates for the Hellenic Navy, Naval News learned from Naval Group.
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The government to government talks consist in much more than the mere procurement of vessels. Naval News learned that what is being offered to Greece is a partnership in which the Hellenic Navy would effectively join the French FTI program
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Naval Cruise Missile for Greece: A deciding factor
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The introduction of NCM in the Hellenic Navy would provide it with increased deterrent and deep-strike capabilities, which seems of great interest to Greece. Therefore, the ships shall be regarded as a strategic asset in the Greek defense force structure.
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In addition to FDI frigates, Naval Group is looking to supply its F21 heavyweight torpedo to the Hellenic Navy, which has a requirement to equip its fleet of four Type 214 and one Type 209 submarines. The need is for 36x 21-inch (533 mm) heavyweight torpedoes to replace the ageing SUT Mod0 and SST-4.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -frigates/

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Looking at the Roussen class and thinking outside of the box, if the UK wants to have forward deployed naval forces, should we look at having one or two self contained groupings of say three of these large FACs/small corvettes and a mothership like a modified Bay. Admittedly they would not be able to deploy rapidly but the attack vessels could be moved by transporter. Having such a group operating in the Gulf or the Straits near Singapore, with a aviation flight of say four Wildcats on the Bay would be quite an effective Littoral force.

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Greece, France sign Letter of Intent for Two 4,000 tons Frigate
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Greece and France signed yesterday an LoI (Letter of Intent) for the procurement of two Belharra / FDI frigates for the Hellenic Navy.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... s-frigate/

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xav wrote: Greece, France sign Letter of Intent for Two 4,000 tons Frigate
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Greece and France signed yesterday an LoI (Letter of Intent) for the procurement of two Belharra / FDI frigates for the Hellenic Navy.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... s-frigate/
Great to see, hope this program goes smoothly for all involved.

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U.S. Trying to Counter France’s Frigate Offer to Greece with 4 MMSC
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The United States is seemingly proposing four MMSC vessels to the Hellenic Navy as an alternative to the two FDI frigates deal proposed by France, a local media is reporting.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... th-4-mmsc/

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Are we going to see an upgrading of Greek forces by the US given the tensions with Turkey?

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Maybe the UK should jump in and offer 3 or 4 type 31's

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The MMSC could be a better platform for the area the Hellenic Navy operates in, plus getting four for the price of two has to be a tempting offer.

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xav wrote: U.S. Trying to Counter France’s Frigate Offer to Greece with 4 MMSC
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The United States is seemingly proposing four MMSC vessels to the Hellenic Navy as an alternative to the two FDI frigates deal proposed by France, a local media is reporting.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... th-4-mmsc/
Nice touch by the USA. :thumbup:
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What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
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According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…

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uh oh

MMSC for Hellenic Navy: No, the cost is not € 2 billion, it is double the amount
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Since the first announcement of the US position through the so-called P&A (Price and Availability) which reportedly was priced at 2 billion euros for four vessels and follow on support (FOS), we had expressed serious reservations. In keeping with our public information ethics, the issue has been further explored in terms of the cost of those ships as we reiterate that in every respect, the price of 2 billion euros for the vessels, their weapons and their FOS is insanely low.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... he-amount/

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Sounds like a James Bond story:
construction of the vessels in Greece. This is because the situation with the yards is still catastrophic. The Skaramanga yards ...

FMS charge is quoted at 10% when it is actually 2.5% ?
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Greeks supposedly are buying 18 Rafales and 2 Belharra frigates plus other missiles ( Aster, Scalp, MdCN ):

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/artic ... -jets.html
Fortune favors brave sir, said Carrot cheerfully.
What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
Oh, noone's ever heard of Fortune favoring them, sir.
According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…

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abc123 wrote:Greeks supposedly are buying 18 Rafales and 2 Belharra frigates plus other missiles ( Aster, Scalp, MdCN ):

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/artic ... -jets.html
Hence Macron's vocal solidarity with Greece, and France's naval deployments, these past few months...

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Might be more to it than a couple of pieces of hardware
... but all that is on the Liberated Libya thread
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Sure, but it 's also a factor

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Yes, all part and parcel.

Sahel is a big mess and eastern Med seems to be going the same way. All much more of France's back yard than ours - not meaning that the outcomes would not affect us, too.
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https://www.navaltoday.com/2020/10/29/h ... ainership/

Greek Navy minesweeper ( former Hunt class ) HS Kalisto cut in half during a collision.
Fortune favors brave sir, said Carrot cheerfully.
What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
Oh, noone's ever heard of Fortune favoring them, sir.
According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…

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Shows the buoyancy of the Hunt's by the fact that the two halves stayed afloat!

On another point, the Greek Airforce had contract Lockheed Martin to upgrade all its F-16Cs to F-16V standard, greatly increasing the capabilities of the plane, with a new AESA radar being the core improvement to the programme. The USAF is upgrading its Block 50 and above aircraft to the same standard to retain them in service until the 2040s.

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First flight of an upgraded F-16V Block 72 was conducted on 17th January 2021 - the first of 84 aircraft expected to go through the upgrade

https://theaviationist.com/2021/01/20/f ... 2-upgrade/

Block 72 upgrade includes APG-83 AESA, upgraded display/IFF/L16/GCAS/GPS and JHCMS II - a decent mission and flight systems upgrade

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SW1 wrote:Arrowhead 140 offered to Greece

https://www.navalanalyses.com/2021/03/i ... s-for.html
And, at a stroke of a pen
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2RitQaCepvY/ ... -140HN.jpg
it has been made into a proper :) warship!
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