Hellenic Armed Forces (Greece)

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Not a modern ship, but it's nice to see her: Greek navy old battlecruiser Georgi Averoff ( 107-years old ) returns to Athens after refit

Georgios Averof was refurbished in a shipyard in Skaramangas with maintenance funds covered by sponsorships.

The battle cruiser was named after Georgios Averof, a Greek businessman who paid for 1/3 of the ship’s cost, while the other 2/3 was paid by the Treasure of the National Fleet and sponsorships by Greeks from all over the world.

https://navaltoday.com/2017/07/27/watch ... nth-refit/

Fortune favors brave sir, said Carrot cheerfully.
What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
Oh, noone's ever heard of Fortune favoring them, sir.
According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…

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Great old girl, but actually an Armoured Cruiser built by Italy to the same design as their Pisa class. Armed with 4x 10" and 8x 7.5" guns. One of the best Armoured Cruiser designs produced by any nation.

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LordJim wrote:Great old girl, but actually an Armoured Cruiser built by Italy to the same design as their Pisa class. Armed with 4x 10" and 8x 7.5" guns. One of the best Armoured Cruiser designs produced by any nation.
Agreed, a brainfart by me. Was in a hurry...
Fortune favors brave sir, said Carrot cheerfully.
What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
Oh, noone's ever heard of Fortune favoring them, sir.
According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…

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dmereifield wrote:Greece looking to buy 2 FREMM

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... rance.html
Have they figured out how to pay for them? :think:
Fortune favors brave sir, said Carrot cheerfully.
What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
Oh, noone's ever heard of Fortune favoring them, sir.
According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…

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Germany /EU bailout funds :angel:

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They were fishing for F-35 in response to TF-X only a few months ago I believe. Fairly bold appetites considering the budget.

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abc123 wrote:
dmereifield wrote:Greece looking to buy 2 FREMM

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... rance.html
Have they figured out how to pay for them? :think:
If you had Turkey for a neighbour especially these days, you'd find the cash.

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muttbutt wrote:
abc123 wrote:
dmereifield wrote:Greece looking to buy 2 FREMM

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... rance.html
Have they figured out how to pay for them? :think:
If you had Turkey for a neighbour especially these days, you'd find the cash.
Well, actually, Erdogan slashed Turkish military budget, especially for Navy.
Fortune favors brave sir, said Carrot cheerfully.
What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
Oh, noone's ever heard of Fortune favoring them, sir.
According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…

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Defiance wrote:They were fishing for F-35 in response to TF-X only a few months ago I believe. Fairly bold appetites considering the budget.
Trouble is, they want to have 1:1 parity with Turkey ( or something like that ), but they have neither the population or economy to do that. Not to mention this pesky crisis lase 10 years...
Fortune favors brave sir, said Carrot cheerfully.
What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
Oh, noone's ever heard of Fortune favoring them, sir.
According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…

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abc123 wrote:
dmereifield wrote:Greece looking to buy 2 FREMM

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... rance.html
Have they figured out how to pay for them? :think:
XAV has an update which also includes the detail that Greece is investigating a "2+2" deal that would include two FREMMs and 2 smaller combatants (Gowind or FTI variant). As to money:
Funding could come from the earnings on Greek bonds that France bought in the previous years and has not yet returned to Greece. During the previous years of the economic crisis, Eurozone countries bought Greek bonds and agreed that they would return any earnings. However, these earnings have not yet been returned to Greece despite the agreement. So it appears that France could pay these earnings back through the frigates.
This all seems like a very reasonable and sensibly scoped move to bring the Greeks some new ships in a tough time. Hope it comes together for them.

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So can we get RBS and HSBC to buy the T-31's as pay back for bailing them out last decade?

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RBS and Lloyds, I think you mean. :) HSBC didn't participate in the bail-out (neither did Barclay's, Abbey, Clydesdale, Nationwide or Standard Chartered), though they were eligible.
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Lord Jim wrote:So can we get RBS and HSBC to buy the T-31's as pay back for bailing them out last decade?

Nice idea. A bit of creative banking and financial engineering makes wonders... :clap:
Fortune favors brave sir, said Carrot cheerfully.
What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
Oh, noone's ever heard of Fortune favoring them, sir.
According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…

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So, Greece will refit and modernise it's five P-3B Orions ( not flying for about 4 years ) for 500 mil. USD:

https://navaltoday.com/2019/01/31/cp-te ... -upgrades/

What do you think? Good investment?
Fortune favors brave sir, said Carrot cheerfully.
What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
Oh, noone's ever heard of Fortune favoring them, sir.
According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…

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It’s all they can afford.

Better than nothing.

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Qwerty wrote:It’s all they can afford.

Better than nothing.
Agreed.
But, they might get something smaller, like CN-295 MPA or similar?
500 mil. USD isn't so small amount of money...
Fortune favors brave sir, said Carrot cheerfully.
What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
Oh, noone's ever heard of Fortune favoring them, sir.
According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…

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Hellenic Navy in final stage for MH-60R procurement
The Hellenic Navy is in the final stage of activating the sub-programme for the procurement of four Sikorsky MH-60R anti-submarine warfare helicopters, according to a written statement to the Parliament made by the Minister of Defense Evangelos Apostolakis.
https://www.navalnews.com/news/2019/02/ ... ocurement/

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Hellenic Navy gradually changing Fast Attack Craft fleet camouflage
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The Hellenic Navy is gradually changing the camouflage of its Fast Attack Craft vessels, as noted in pictures from recent exercises. The new pattern includes four different shades between grey and dark blue grey, in random shapes.
https://www.navalnews.com/news/2019/02/ ... amouflage/

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Norway, Sweden and Finland (all have rocky, broken up coastlines, like Greece) have had the pattern for decades https://i.pinimg.com/474x/4a/c0/a6/4ac0 ... gn.jpg?b=t
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An old news, but- Greece will modernise 85 of their F-16 fighters into Viper configuration ( AESA radar and other improvements ):

https://thedefensepost.com/2018/04/28/g ... ets-viper/
Fortune favors brave sir, said Carrot cheerfully.
What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
Oh, noone's ever heard of Fortune favoring them, sir.
According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…

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Greek Navy had some plans to buy two Perry-class frigates from Royal Australian Navy, but it seems that won't happen.

http://www.australiandefence.com.au/def ... g-ran-ffgs

The trouble seems to be whether the missiles ( SM-2 and ESSM ) will be included.
Fortune favors brave sir, said Carrot cheerfully.
What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
Oh, noone's ever heard of Fortune favoring them, sir.
According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…

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Greece will also get 70 OH-58 Kiowa Warriors ( 36 will be used as armed reccon helicopters, 10 for spare parts and the rest for training ).

http://alert5.com/2019/01/26/greece-to- ... -in-march/

And also 4 used Mark V special operations crafts from the US Navy:

http://observe.asia/greece-to-acquire-e ... peedboats/
Fortune favors brave sir, said Carrot cheerfully.
What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
Oh, noone's ever heard of Fortune favoring them, sir.
According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…

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Do the Greeks still have those very large Russian built hovercraft operational?

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