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Ossoff almost 13K up with just Big Dem areas left to announce fully... only question now is if he can get over 23K lead as thats the 0.5% recount zone

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My screen is still saying that the difference would need to widen by a further 10k
... that's smaller ask than :) Trump's 12,800 from the Georgia officials
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:If Taiwan Strait will not blow up or Iran decide to try and take advantage of the interregnum
What a surprise:
" China begins 2021 by stepping up military intimidation against Taiwan "
by Geostrategy - 4h ago

So Biden will be handed these two 'babies' on the 20th
- Korea's rocket man seems to have acknowledged that their economic plan has failed... will they be asking for help, and for the umpteenth time promise to can their nuke prgrm in return ? I think Biden was a witness to the Obama Administration being duped on this front, so a bit more rigour will be applied this time around (Trump's 'love letters' will, no doubt, be a big help... if he can part with those, they carry a lot of sentimental value to him, and him alone)
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The margin will still need to widen by 7k votes in the last 2% of votes, to avoid triggering recount
"Jon Ossoff declared victory in his Senate race on Wednesday morning - despite the contest not being officially called"

Copyright Michael Flynn, to a crowd of Trump supporters:
"We stand at a crucible moment in United States history", he said
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The only places left to count for Ossoff are very Dem heavy areas... it's not a question as to if he's gonna win or not... it's simply down to if he won by enough to avoid the possibility of a recount or not

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ArmChairCivvy wrote:The margin will still need to widen by 7k votes in the last 2% of votes, to avoid triggering recount
"Jon Ossoff declared victory in his Senate race on Wednesday morning - despite the contest not being officially called"
There's only two precincts in one small and mostly Democratic county left to report. They're not going to deliver the 10,000+ votes that would need to be cast to get Ossoff over the 0.5% recount margin, in November just over 4,000 votes were cast in the entire county. But the current margin is more than comfortable enough that a recount won't change the result.

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This is not from today's speech as the image has been on twitter for 5 days:
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... 1&hl=en-GB
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Sounds like Trump’s getting the insurrection he wanted:

https://edition.cnn.com/

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Yeah, officers draw guns, one protestor already in Senate chamber.

Before evacuation, "House members are being given gas masks that were under the seats, according to a pool reporter on the House floor. "Rules Committee Chair McGovern is telling members there is tear gas in the rotunda and Grabbing mask under seats and be prepared to put on."

Looks like some clearing to be done overnight (may be cleaning, too, afterwards).

C-in-Chief being asked for :shock: help:

Mr. President @realDonaldTrump the men & women of law enforcement are under assault. It is crucial you help restore order by sending resources to assist the police and ask those doing this to stand down.
— Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) January 6, 2021
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Scenes usually reserved for tin pot dictatorships playing out in the leading western democracy incredible.

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At least Yeltsin was shelling the White House (though it is their parliament, Duma).
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Beijing and Moscow have had a late Christmas present this will tarnish America’s reputation for years a massive failure of security and respect for a democracy so terribly sad.

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SW1 wrote:Beijing and Moscow have had a late Christmas present this will tarnish America’s reputation for years a massive failure of security and respect for a democracy so terribly sad.
Sadly, this might end up being for the best. I wouldn't be surprised if this turns public opinion quite decisively against Trump and it's going to be difficult for the Republicans to avoid having to disassociate themselves from the Trumpsters.

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Pseudo wrote:
SW1 wrote:Beijing and Moscow have had a late Christmas present this will tarnish America’s reputation for years a massive failure of security and respect for a democracy so terribly sad.
Sadly, this might end up being for the best. I wouldn't be surprised if this turns public opinion quite decisively against Trump and it's going to be difficult for the Republicans to avoid having to disassociate themselves from the Trumpsters.
Right minded republicans disassociated themselves from trump years ago. I remain completely amazed in a country of 400m with some very bright people in it that him and Biden are the best they could come up with.

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Our cousins have have been waiting for 4 years for the swamp to be full drained. The biggest ‘Gators do tend to inhabit the deepest parts of the swamp.

They say be careful what you wish (or say you wish) for. Well this ‘Gator seems finally about to get his wish!

Very sad indeed, but hopefully “the people” and their representatives will not let it happen again.

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Scimitar54 wrote: and their representatives
We are back to the age old dilemma: Who will guard the guards?
While there is no doubt that the motley collection of law and order enforcement took time to mobilise and arrive, at least they didn't drop paratroopers onto the Hill...

Whatever is said about the 'powerful' legal structure of the US, there is no doubt that some of it, or some in the roles trusted to operate it, has/have failed in reigning in an over-powerful Executive (that has always been the case, being over-powerful that is - but this is the first instance of a madman at the helm)
... film-reel quickly travels over the Pond, and: the question of whether we should have a written constitution that is not as easily overridden as the non-written one is now more relevant than ever
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Since the U.S constitution has so often been reinterpreted by different judges appointed for their potential views of the constitution it seems hard to accept the guarantees of such a document, even the German Weimar had a written constitution that did not stop hitler

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seaspear wrote:even the German Weimar had a written constitution that did not stop hitler
At least the Capitol wasn't torched, like the Reichstag. What followed (Hindenburg knowing that he wouldn't be around for long) was that through the physical intimidation of the legislators and the outgoing (see previous) president seeing the need for a temporary ( :) ) law and order strong-man, the former passed and the latter signed the Law for the Alleviation and Distress of the People and the Reich ( for short: the Enabling Act), which freed Hitler from any legal restraint from the Reichstag, the President and the voters.
- this time the actions will work the other way round
- as the perpetrators and their primus motor were in broad daylight, for anyone to see. Even the runners-and-riders Republicans can now see what they have been complicit to (some 8-) wanting more :!: :?: )
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Not weeks... just :D days to go: https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1604741688166.jpg
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If history is not understood, it is bound to repeat itself (whoever said that; can't remember).

So the torching of the Reichstag is coming back, as a story for - Deflecting the blame -

Outlets including Real America's Voice, Newsmax and the One America News Network (OAN) -- which Trump has recommended several times in recent weeks -- claimed without any evidence that the crowd had been infiltrated by small ultra-left groups.

"I think they were undercover Antifa," Gina Loudon, presenter for Real America's Voice, said of the rioters she encountered Wednesday in the corridors of the Capitol.

[Antifa is a mostly unstructured group of left-wing activists]
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Antifa is anyone or anything that doesn't support Trump.... it's the boogieman under the bed.

Twitter banned Trump for 12 hours, while Facebook has kicked him off for good... but it's too late for them to find their balls... they gave him and the loonies 6 years to fester their insanity that lead to yesterday and the 4 deaths.

and what gets me is that despite GOP members having to hide and flee from a rabid mob of insurrectionists, there were GOP members still pushing the whackjob conspiracy theories when the chambers got back to certifying the election.

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SDL wrote: Antifa is anyone or anything that doesn't support Trump.... it's the boogieman under the bed.
I'm old fashioned; still looking for Reds under the beds
- just that Mr Putin & Mr Xi come across quite capitalist to me (the early stages of capitalism that K. Marx wrote about). Is that why they (GOP) are foaming about Socialists taking over... thus not keeping up :) with the Joneses
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Further pilgrimage, for initiation rituals on Capitol Hill, won't now happen:
"American Airlines says it is taking several new "precautionary" measures, including no longer serving alcohol on flights to and from Washington, DC"
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This
" A Justice Department legal memo says the President cannot pardon himself but he can step down and ask his vice president to take over and pardon him. However, that memo is not binding."
has been covered upthread.

But what has changed since yesterday is that the VP is much less likely to oblige - he would be ruining his own chances (with his evangelical base and more widely) to run in 2024
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Pence will not do this after yesterday... his long term political career is all but dead already, though if he does pardon Trump, then he's not only completely cooked, but will be on the hook for aiding a criminal after the fact

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