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ArmChairCivvy
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I hope we won't take after them and run rust buckets as subs
- there could be a tragedy in making, but the above thought is serious as well
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I hope the crew are found safe and well.

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Do you think they'd accept the offer of help from our Submarine rescue operation or would they be too proud like the Russians were with the Kursk?

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UK and Argentine troops work together with the UN in Cyprus so politically it is achievable.

If an offer of assistance was given by the U.K. (or anyone else) and the Argentine Government refused, it would be political suicide. IMO.

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Update: Sub is being towed back to port after suffering a battery fire.

https://www.elliberal.com.ar/noticia/37 ... a-san-juan

But there are also reports that it is still missing???

https://www.clarin.com/politica/buscan- ... xynkG.html

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Search Underway for Argentine Navy Submarine With 44

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/worl ... ss&emc=rss

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La Armada Argentina inició operaciones de búsqueda del submarino ARA “San Juan”

http://gacetamarinera.com.ar/la-armada- ... -san-juan/

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Sky reports the U.K. has offered assistance

https://news.sky.com/story/argentinian- ... s-11130303

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NASA Aircraft Joins in Search for Missing Argentine Submarine, 44 Sailors; U.S. Navy Submarine Rescue Crews, Equipment Mobilizing

https://news.usni.org/2017/11/17/nasa-a ... mobilizing

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Smokey wrote:Sky reports the U.K. has offered assistance

https://news.sky.com/story/argentinian- ... s-11130303
Argentina have responded "Well - you couldn't find them last time......." :twisted:

Seriously though - I hope they are found safe and well
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my thoughts and best wishes to all involved with the search and those lads and lasses onboard the sub ,must be very frightening for those poor souls down there folks :(

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Submarine accidents hold a very special level of nightmare. Ever since I read up on the Kursk especially and what happened to the men in that incident.

Good hunting to all involved in the search.

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Terrible news hampered by bad weather too. Sincerely hope there is a positive outcome for the poor souls on board.

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BBC: 'Explosion' detected in hunt for Argentine submarine San Juan.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-42100620

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Under water explosion picked up ,V sad news if this is what's happened to the submarine ,all my thoughts
to all involved in this terrible tragedy :-(

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If an explosion is confirmed, possibly another Kursk style accident ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursk_submarine_disaster

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Is there any comment on the approximate route in relation to the Falklands islands

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seaspear wrote:Is there any comment on the approximate route in relation to the Falklands islands
No comment and nobody is asking. We're already taking flak from Argentine pollies (much to the chagrin of most of their population) about even being involved because of the Falklands, why bring in the politics when what everyone wants to see is the crew be rescued?

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I posed that question not because of any lack of sympathy for the crew of the submarine ,but that if the orders for the submarine are through the territorial waters or economic zone of the islands then future deployments of R.N abilities down there would consider this , certainly the certification process for an old submarine that had major works done on it and justification are a question that can be asked

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seaspear wrote:Is there any comment on the approximate route in relation to the Falklands islands
If the route took it within 12nm there would no doubt be comment, I've seen no suggestion of that, have you?

Why can't it conduct a passage through the EEZ?

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There is some interesting reading under UNCLOS particularly articles 19 and 20 referring to naval warships and particularly submarines in territorial seas having to be on the surface during transit of such. I understand there is some contention on these articles .

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seaspear wrote:There is some interesting reading under UNCLOS particularly articles 19 and 20 referring to naval warships and particularly submarines in territorial seas having to be on the surface during transit of such. I understand there is some contention on these articles .
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So are you saying she entered territorial waters?

From the basic maps in the press it also looks as if she was far enough away from the FI that they weren't an option for seeking sanctuary from the weather conditions when problems started.

The elements are everyone's enemy, good to see the world coming together to try and rescue the crew.

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The maps shown of the patrol area indicate the possibility of this , it may be up to the Argentine government to be specific in this certainly the area shown of the economic zone encompass that area shown that have been published as the patrol transit area

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It is a tragedy to hear of this loss of life and I feel for the families affected.
It seems to me the Argentinian Navy posted many false reports of what was actually happening giving false hope to the families for what - to protect their service or the politicians? Very sad.
Is it known what the actual cause of loss? It appears if it was a hull breach does this indicate the refit was faulty or was it a power loss causing the sub to sink below crush depth?
Whatever the cause I cannot imagine a more forlorn way to die for the sailors.

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Have they actually found the sub? :?
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Haven't heard anything yet.

Either way, my condolences to the families.

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