Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 24 Nov 2015, 21:16
Seaseeker after Airseeker 
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Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 24 Nov 2015, 21:33
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Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 24 Nov 2015, 21:57
Neptune is another name if the Poseidon,s are customised
Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 24 Nov 2015, 22:07
"Neptune" sounds like a submarine name, P-8's hunt those. "Neptune" belongs under water, not above it. 
Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 24 Nov 2015, 22:28
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Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 24 Nov 2015, 22:34
Never heard of it. 
Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 24 Nov 2015, 23:02
First name wasn't Sid by any chance?cockneyjock1974 wrote:Just saw this on a blog where people are still advocating we should have persevered with the Nimrod. It's a reply to an idiot with no clue......
move on…its been dead for 5 years…and as the former RAF officer who signed off its first flight all those years ago, I.might argue with you that it was not as good as you think it was. In reality the airframe in particular had some real issues that needed a shed load more money to get it safely into service even if tbe mission system was almost fully mature. In 2010 the extra cash needed was a bridge too far I’m afraid. .. now at least we are getting an aircraft which is as modern as it gets and if nothing else is common with our principle maritime ally. That means a great deal in itself.
Interesting eh??
Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 24 Nov 2015, 23:09
AFAIK Raytheon UK wrote the ISAR GMTI algorithm due to their success in Sentinel. The original software came from a small UK company for tracking movements within the stockmarkets to look for irregularities.
Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 26 Nov 2015, 11:37
Thanks for the clarification, I knew there was some kind of tedious link.jimthelad wrote:AFAIK Raytheon UK wrote the ISAR GMTI algorithm due to their success in Sentinel. The original software came from a small UK company for tracking movements within the stockmarkets to look for irregularities.
Nice video of the P8, with some nice low passes.
Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 26 Nov 2015, 11:51
Neptune was the roman god of the sea copied from the greek god poseidon they are both posed with a trident in statues
Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 26 Nov 2015, 12:45
Just thought of a new name. The P-8 'Kraken'.
Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 26 Nov 2015, 13:31
Should probably begin with an S to fit in with the rest of the ISTAR fleet.
Although I see AirSeeker refered to as Rivet Joint most of the time, so I guess we'll be sticking with poesidon.
Although I see AirSeeker refered to as Rivet Joint most of the time, so I guess we'll be sticking with poesidon.
Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 26 Nov 2015, 13:59
Sedna: inuit goddess of the sea, marine animals, and sea hunting. Follows well from Nimrod (the great hunter from the old testament/hebrew mythology) too.shark bait wrote:Should probably begin with an S to fit in with the rest of the ISTAR fleet.
Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 26 Nov 2015, 14:04
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Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 26 Nov 2015, 17:06
Do we have an American aircraft in service that we have renamed? For every American aircraft that I can think of, aside from Rivet Joint (whose "Airseeker" name seems all but abandoned anyway), we have kept their original American names: Lightning II, Reaper, Globemaster, Hercules...
I'm glad in a way because there seems to be a new trend in the MOD for making up shit names for kit. I mean, Airseeker? Protector? ... Sea Ceptor?
I do like the thought of a bunch of Scotsmen up at Lossiemouth trying to pronounce "Kraken" though.
I'm glad in a way because there seems to be a new trend in the MOD for making up shit names for kit. I mean, Airseeker? Protector? ... Sea Ceptor?
I do like the thought of a bunch of Scotsmen up at Lossiemouth trying to pronounce "Kraken" though.
Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 26 Nov 2015, 17:07
To be honest, 'Airseeker' sounds like a package holiday company or brochure.
Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 26 Nov 2015, 17:24
I think you have to go back through history for stuff like the Washington. Not sure if the times the Americans adopted our names for Lend-Lease stuff like with the Catalina and the Liberator count.The Armchair Soldier wrote:Do we have an American aircraft in service that we have renamed? For every American aircraft that I can think of, aside from Rivet Joint (whose "Airseeker" name seems all but abandoned anyway), we have kept their original American names: Lightning II, Reaper, Globemaster, Hercules...
I'm glad in a way because there seems to be a new trend in the MOD for making up shit names for kit. I mean, Airseeker? Protector? ... Sea Ceptor?
I do like the thought of a bunch of Scotsmen up at Lossiemouth trying to pronounce "Kraken" though.
Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 28 Nov 2015, 12:10
As the lend lease act is still running the Royal Air Force could get two aircraft to fill the gapped requirement
quickly as per the first C 17 set up .I don't think congress would object to the lease- lend The aircraft would deal the snooping subs quickly rather relying on allies. Using American weapons returning them when Royal Air Force's first two with U.K. aircraft enter service. As we have embedded personnel they could effectively stand up quickly.
quickly as per the first C 17 set up .I don't think congress would object to the lease- lend The aircraft would deal the snooping subs quickly rather relying on allies. Using American weapons returning them when Royal Air Force's first two with U.K. aircraft enter service. As we have embedded personnel they could effectively stand up quickly.
Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 28 Nov 2015, 12:44
It is not running, unfortunately:
"A critical program for winning the war, Lend-Lease came to an abrupt end with its conclusion. As Britain needed to retain much of the Lend-Lease equipment for postwar use, the Anglo-American Loan was signed through which the British agreed to purchase the items for approximately ten cents on the dollar. The total value of the loan was around £1,075 million. The final payment on the loan was made in 2006."
Early parts of it required mortgaging base areas (as 99-year long collateral, should Britain go under) e.g. in the Bahamas and along the Canadian coast. Later, when American troops started arriving, Britain gifted them with 7bn $ worth of kit (as shipping was the effective bottleneck) vs. the $ 31 bn worth of American made stuff received.
"A critical program for winning the war, Lend-Lease came to an abrupt end with its conclusion. As Britain needed to retain much of the Lend-Lease equipment for postwar use, the Anglo-American Loan was signed through which the British agreed to purchase the items for approximately ten cents on the dollar. The total value of the loan was around £1,075 million. The final payment on the loan was made in 2006."
Early parts of it required mortgaging base areas (as 99-year long collateral, should Britain go under) e.g. in the Bahamas and along the Canadian coast. Later, when American troops started arriving, Britain gifted them with 7bn $ worth of kit (as shipping was the effective bottleneck) vs. the $ 31 bn worth of American made stuff received.
Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 28 Nov 2015, 17:20
Had been thinking - but what are people's opinions on the potential for additional orders beyond 9 we have specified already? Do we anticipate potential options in the contract to be signed? I know it might be a bit early to even speculate but i do remember when rumours of an impending buy were first mentioned the figure of 12 was often bandied??
Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 28 Nov 2015, 17:32
I'd hope that of we get access to AAS to replace Sentinel's capability then we might get another three to ensure that we've got enough to perform both roles simultaneously.~UNiOnJaCk~ wrote:Had been thinking - but what are people's opinions on the potential for additional orders beyond 9 we have specified already? Do we anticipate potential options in the contract to be signed? I know it might be a bit early to even speculate but i do remember when rumours of an impending buy were first mentioned the figure of 12 was often bandied??
Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 28 Nov 2015, 17:45
I've been wondering this since the announcement, if we do get access to AAS to replace sentinel are 9 airframes enough units to do the sentinel job and MPA job?Pseudo wrote:I'd hope that of we get access to AAS to replace Sentinel's capability then we might get another three to ensure that we've got enough to perform both roles simultaneously.~UNiOnJaCk~ wrote:Had been thinking - but what are people's opinions on the potential for additional orders beyond 9 we have specified already? Do we anticipate potential options in the contract to be signed? I know it might be a bit early to even speculate but i do remember when rumours of an impending buy were first mentioned the figure of 12 was often bandied??
Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 28 Nov 2015, 18:31
When the figure of 12 was first mentioned, in all honesty, i was under the impression it was just in the context of allowing us to properly cover our MPA requirements alone. If we truly do need 12 for MPA then i would have thought that asking it to also replace Sentinel would require additional airframes beyond that. Just my unedcuated guess.Pseudo wrote:I'd hope that of we get access to AAS to replace Sentinel's capability then we might get another three to ensure that we've got enough to perform both roles simultaneously.~UNiOnJaCk~ wrote:Had been thinking - but what are people's opinions on the potential for additional orders beyond 9 we have specified already? Do we anticipate potential options in the contract to be signed? I know it might be a bit early to even speculate but i do remember when rumours of an impending buy were first mentioned the figure of 12 was often bandied??
Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 29 Nov 2015, 09:52
Will P8 purchase be like Airseeker classed as part of core US fleet (left in US colours to save money)but get all upgrades as standard and UK have input to future upgrades
This would give greater chance of future AAS procurement
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This would give greater chance of future AAS procurement
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Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft) (RAF)
Posted: 29 Nov 2015, 13:25
How on earth does leaving it in the same colours, make it part of a core US fleet.Ianmb17 wrote:Will P8 purchase be like Airseeker classed as part of core US fleet (left in US colours to save money)but get all upgrades as standard and UK have input to future upgrades
This would give greater chance of future AAS procurement
Photo pprune.org