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It's good news for the UK, there was never any real prospect of a full re-engining programme, so development of the F-135 is the best option for us.sunstersun wrote: ↑13 Mar 2023, 17:40 Keeps the Pratt engine.
Convenient for all international partners.
It's the best option for the UK because as far as I know, the new, new engines would only be supported on the F-35A & F-35C.Timmymagic wrote: ↑13 Mar 2023, 19:06It's good news for the UK, there was never any real prospect of a full re-engining programme, so development of the F-135 is the best option for us.sunstersun wrote: ↑13 Mar 2023, 17:40 Keeps the Pratt engine.
Convenient for all international partners.
We don't all have mansized budgets to go and re-engine like the US does...plus a lot of international users have completed their purchases and will have them all delivered by the time any alternative engine would be developed for new production. This way they get the ability to enhance their exisitng engines, using their existing support and maintenance arrangements at a reasonable cost.dmereifield wrote: ↑13 Mar 2023, 22:52 Excuse my ignorance, but why is that convenient for international partners?
There had recently been a quote from GE that they were looking to also adapt the engines to F-35B. But I suspect that that was a bit of marketing...probably no more than back of the fag packet stuff...and only achievable in new production or colossal cost.
What are you talking about? Current plan has UK F-35's carrying 6 missiles: 4 Meteor and 2 ASRAAM.sunstersun wrote: ↑28 Mar 2023, 17:57 UK could do something like 2 meteors and 4 Cudas for 6 air to air missiles. Sidekick is not gonna be available for the B version.
4 Meteor and 2 Asraam will be plenty.sunstersun wrote: ↑28 Mar 2023, 17:57 UK could do something like 2 meteors and 4 Cudas for 6 air to air missiles. Sidekick is not gonna be available for the B version.
The 4 plus 4 missile load out is the standard load out but there is a combat loadout that is higher on typhoon which carries 2 extra meteor.Timmymagic wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 00:434 Meteor and 2 Asraam will be plenty.sunstersun wrote: ↑28 Mar 2023, 17:57 UK could do something like 2 meteors and 4 Cudas for 6 air to air missiles. Sidekick is not gonna be available for the B version.
The max loadout of missiles of current and previous generation fighters was 4 medium range and 4 short ranged missiles. But all those missiles had a far smaller chance of hitting a target than modern missiles.
Is there? Is it in the RTS?SW1 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 08:18The 4 plus 4 missile load out is the standard load out but there is a combat loadout that is higher on typhoon which carries 2 extra meteor.Timmymagic wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 00:434 Meteor and 2 Asraam will be plenty.sunstersun wrote: ↑28 Mar 2023, 17:57 UK could do something like 2 meteors and 4 Cudas for 6 air to air missiles. Sidekick is not gonna be available for the B version.
The max loadout of missiles of current and previous generation fighters was 4 medium range and 4 short ranged missiles. But all those missiles had a far smaller chance of hitting a target than modern missiles.
Industry flew a 6 BVRAAM option for a customer not 100% if it was ever taken into RAF service.downsizer wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 09:02Is there? Is it in the RTS?SW1 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 08:18The 4 plus 4 missile load out is the standard load out but there is a combat loadout that is higher on typhoon which carries 2 extra meteor.Timmymagic wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 00:434 Meteor and 2 Asraam will be plenty.sunstersun wrote: ↑28 Mar 2023, 17:57 UK could do something like 2 meteors and 4 Cudas for 6 air to air missiles. Sidekick is not gonna be available for the B version.
The max loadout of missiles of current and previous generation fighters was 4 medium range and 4 short ranged missiles. But all those missiles had a far smaller chance of hitting a target than modern missiles.
It's not in the RTS, so it isn't an option or integrated.SW1 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 09:48Industry flew a 6 BVRAAM option for a customer not 100% if it was ever taken into RAF service.downsizer wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 09:02Is there? Is it in the RTS?SW1 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 08:18The 4 plus 4 missile load out is the standard load out but there is a combat loadout that is higher on typhoon which carries 2 extra meteor.Timmymagic wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 00:434 Meteor and 2 Asraam will be plenty.sunstersun wrote: ↑28 Mar 2023, 17:57 UK could do something like 2 meteors and 4 Cudas for 6 air to air missiles. Sidekick is not gonna be available for the B version.
The max loadout of missiles of current and previous generation fighters was 4 medium range and 4 short ranged missiles. But all those missiles had a far smaller chance of hitting a target than modern missiles.
Ok it’s not for the RAF it is for other operators.downsizer wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 12:45It's not in the RTS, so it isn't an option or integrated.SW1 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 09:48Industry flew a 6 BVRAAM option for a customer not 100% if it was ever taken into RAF service.downsizer wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 09:02Is there? Is it in the RTS?SW1 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 08:18The 4 plus 4 missile load out is the standard load out but there is a combat loadout that is higher on typhoon which carries 2 extra meteor.Timmymagic wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 00:434 Meteor and 2 Asraam will be plenty.sunstersun wrote: ↑28 Mar 2023, 17:57 UK could do something like 2 meteors and 4 Cudas for 6 air to air missiles. Sidekick is not gonna be available for the B version.
The max loadout of missiles of current and previous generation fighters was 4 medium range and 4 short ranged missiles. But all those missiles had a far smaller chance of hitting a target than modern missiles.
Who? Who has integrated a 6 missile fit?SW1 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 09:48Industry flew a 6 BVRAAM option for a customer not 100% if it was ever taken into RAF service.downsizer wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 09:02Is there? Is it in the RTS?SW1 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 08:18The 4 plus 4 missile load out is the standard load out but there is a combat loadout that is higher on typhoon which carries 2 extra meteor.Timmymagic wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 00:434 Meteor and 2 Asraam will be plenty.sunstersun wrote: ↑28 Mar 2023, 17:57 UK could do something like 2 meteors and 4 Cudas for 6 air to air missiles. Sidekick is not gonna be available for the B version.
The max loadout of missiles of current and previous generation fighters was 4 medium range and 4 short ranged missiles. But all those missiles had a far smaller chance of hitting a target than modern missiles.
SW1 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 13:00Ok it’s not for the RAF it is for other operators.downsizer wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 12:45It's not in the RTS, so it isn't an option or integrated.SW1 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 09:48Industry flew a 6 BVRAAM option for a customer not 100% if it was ever taken into RAF service.downsizer wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 09:02Is there? Is it in the RTS?SW1 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 08:18The 4 plus 4 missile load out is the standard load out but there is a combat loadout that is higher on typhoon which carries 2 extra meteor.Timmymagic wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 00:434 Meteor and 2 Asraam will be plenty.sunstersun wrote: ↑28 Mar 2023, 17:57 UK could do something like 2 meteors and 4 Cudas for 6 air to air missiles. Sidekick is not gonna be available for the B version.
The max loadout of missiles of current and previous generation fighters was 4 medium range and 4 short ranged missiles. But all those missiles had a far smaller chance of hitting a target than modern missiles.
downsizer wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 13:43Who? Who has integrated a 6 missile fit?SW1 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 09:48Industry flew a 6 BVRAAM option for a customer not 100% if it was ever taken into RAF service.downsizer wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 09:02Is there? Is it in the RTS?SW1 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 08:18The 4 plus 4 missile load out is the standard load out but there is a combat loadout that is higher on typhoon which carries 2 extra meteor.Timmymagic wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 00:434 Meteor and 2 Asraam will be plenty.sunstersun wrote: ↑28 Mar 2023, 17:57 UK could do something like 2 meteors and 4 Cudas for 6 air to air missiles. Sidekick is not gonna be available for the B version.
The max loadout of missiles of current and previous generation fighters was 4 medium range and 4 short ranged missiles. But all those missiles had a far smaller chance of hitting a target than modern missiles.
[/quoteSW1 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 13:00Ok it’s not for the RAF it is for other operators.downsizer wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 12:45It's not in the RTS, so it isn't an option or integrated.SW1 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 09:48Industry flew a 6 BVRAAM option for a customer not 100% if it was ever taken into RAF service.downsizer wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 09:02Is there? Is it in the RTS?SW1 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 08:18The 4 plus 4 missile load out is the standard load out but there is a combat loadout that is higher on typhoon which carries 2 extra meteor.Timmymagic wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 00:434 Meteor and 2 Asraam will be plenty.sunstersun wrote: ↑28 Mar 2023, 17:57 UK could do something like 2 meteors and 4 Cudas for 6 air to air missiles. Sidekick is not gonna be available for the B version.
The max loadout of missiles of current and previous generation fighters was 4 medium range and 4 short ranged missiles. But all those missiles had a far smaller chance of hitting a target than modern missiles.
Luftwaffe and someone in the mid east.
https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... ter-fleet/
You claimed a 6 meteor fit, haven't seen one as yet?SW1 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 16:07https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... ter-fleet/
Only thing I can find after a google that isn’t industry, hope this sufficient. Original initial industry test flight were flown about 10 years ago now.
Any different from any other big defense program in any other country?
So other programs are not cash cows, interesting.GarethDavies1 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2023, 18:36 Yes it is different as its the biggest defence project in history.
