F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

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How do you feel about the F-35B for the RN and RAF? (2 votes per member)

GOOD choice for the Royal Navy
137
44%
BAD choice for the Royal Navy
13
4%
Uncertain (RN)
15
5%
GOOD choice for the Royal Air Force
60
19%
BAD choice for the Royal Air Force
42
14%
Uncertain (RAF)
44
14%
 
Total votes: 311

SW1
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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

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Jensy wrote: 24 Nov 2021, 22:25
sunstersun wrote: 23 Nov 2021, 18:08 Potential F-35 B users and confirmed

UK, Italy, Japan

Korea, Spain, Australia, India(wildcard)

Man the Navy really got fuked. No potential C users ever.
Yeah, funny back in the early noughties, you'd think the B was the condemned variant and that the C would be snagged by 'probe & drogue' refuelling users who didn't want to fund the modifications for the A.

Fitting folding wings has seemed a bit of a peculiar choice with hindsight, considering:

1) The vastness of US CVN hangars, that haven't exactly been stretched by post-Cold War airgroups.

2) It's additional weight, alongside the other carrier mods negate most of the increased fuel capacity.

Then again the USN, having wasted a great deal of political capital on the A-12 and NATF, would probably have taken any stealth platform available by the late 90s...

Funny you should mention India. Was reading a rather scathing description of their experiences with the Fulcrum/ongoing Tejas woes last night, and came to think that their best option is probably the F-35B (assuming it would be available to them)....
Folding wings have nothing to do with size of the carrier and everything to do with the size of the wing required for the recovery on deck, approach speeds and glide slope and the fact that LO requirement limited the size and number of flap and slats.

The C variant was always us navy only it remains to be seen how many of each type will be built regardless of the number of operators.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

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With regard to USN CVNs and F35Cs with folding wing tips, perhaps you had forgotten two considerations:-

1. The reduced number of Deck Edge Lifts (on the FORD Class).
2. The possible need to develop and retrofit larger Deck Edge Lifts on every CVN !

With regard to the second point above, even if such a project were feasible, the cost and the reduction in CVN availability would almost certainly rule it out. Much easier to have the “Folding Wing Tips”.

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Jensy
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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

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SW1 wrote: 24 Nov 2021, 22:38
Folding wings have nothing to do with size of the carrier and everything to do with the size of the wing required for the recovery on deck, approach speeds and glide slope and the fact that LO requirement limited the size and number of flap and slats.
My point was not about wing area but rather deck/hangar footprint of the F-35C. Though you are quite right, hence the historic appeal of VG for carrier ops. Even as late as the very early 90s.
Scimitar54 wrote: 24 Nov 2021, 22:58 With regard to USN CVNs and F35Cs with folding wing tips, perhaps you had forgotten two considerations:-

1. The reduced number of Deck Edge Lifts (on the FORD Class).
2. The possible need to develop and retrofit larger Deck Edge Lifts on every CVN !

With regard to the second point above, even if such a project were feasible, the cost and the reduction in CVN availability would almost certainly rule it out. Much easier to have the “Folding Wing Tips”.
Both fair points, though I'd note that the USN has had aircraft of similar unfolded span in recent memory. Also the reduction in lifts is fairly in line with the declining size of the carriers' air wings.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

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Yes, I know it's The Sun- they say that the cause of the crash is non-removal of plastic cover for engine intakes:

https://theaviationist.com/2021/11/24/f ... ble-cause/
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