Unfortunately that CGI clip inserted in yesterdays video is from way back before the contract was signed. Also shows 4 boat bays which have now been reduced to 3.
Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
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Unfortunately that CGI clip inserted in yesterdays video is from way back before the contract was signed. Also shows 4 boat bays which have now been reduced to 3.
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"Unprecedented" - no.
Constabulary & flag waving confirmed yet again.
"unparalleled pace" - no.RichardIC wrote: ↑24 Jan 2023, 17:01 DE&S Director General Ships Vice Admiral Paul Marshall, said:
“The Type 31 programme was the first warship competition for over a decade with DE&S championing a new agile procurement process. This enabled placement of a contract at unparalleled pace, delivering excellent capability to the Royal Navy and value to the taxpayer.
"excellent capability" - for constabulary & flag waving - yes.
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Fair point - thank you for clarifying what you meant.Ron5 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2023, 15:38You have to be careful about which £ you are using. And when. Because with inflation and pre-COVID/post COVID differences, they can differ a lot.wargame_insomniac wrote: ↑23 Jan 2023, 22:47 The fact is that the first batch of 3*T26 were ordered on a non-fixed price contract from BAE, and have ALREADY come in 4.2% over Budget = additional cost of £233m.
My opinion is that that there will be further costs overuns from BAE on the second batch 5*T26. Therefore my opinion / educated guess is that the marginal costs of ordering these 5*T26 Batch 2 will be far in excess of £840m per ship. It is ok if you have a different opinion on that.
The fact is that the 5*T31 were ordered on a fixed price contract with Babcock.
For example and simplified, the T31 contract was fixed as you rightly point out, but there are clauses that protect Babcocks from the effects of inflation. So their £1.25 billion contract was in 2019 £. If inflation is 20% until contract is complete, they will get £1.5billion. Not quite right because they get payments in installments but you get the drift.
The other thing is that the T26 contract is much older so inflation & COVID upheavals have had more time and opportunity to interfere.
For my post, you should assume constant 2019 £s.
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You have to remember in MoD contracts - fixed price is not fixed, it can vary with changes in inflation or exchange rates or even some commodity prices. Firm prices mean not subject to variation ie fixed in common usage.
Even profit rates can vary on the efficiency of the supplier or the assumed risk being covered by each party. Babcock were not content so accept certain risks ie significant inflation rate changes so that is why the contract was fixed at £1.25m. MoD are underwriting these risks.
Even profit rates can vary on the efficiency of the supplier or the assumed risk being covered by each party. Babcock were not content so accept certain risks ie significant inflation rate changes so that is why the contract was fixed at £1.25m. MoD are underwriting these risks.
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Excellent to see but echoing others, it seems hard to believe it will be in the water this year as scheduled.donald_of_tokyo wrote: ↑25 Jan 2023, 12:51 Great view!
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/first-t ... -shipyard/
PS smart to paint it red so the rust doesn't show
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BAE don't have a subsidiary that manufactures the Millennium Gun.
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Not sure BAE is the key we could have had more DS30 like the other escorts. My question would be why the Danish chose the Millennium Gun? Did they have some workshare?
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I think the fait accompli was the 57mm becoming the lower end British medium calibre naval artillery.
Though, to my knowledge, there's not much commonality between the two, it seemed logical to those in power to source both weapons from a single supplier.
I think the ds30 is a great weapon, and I like the potential for variants with larger calibres, but it's yet to be fitted to either of the QEC. So somewhere in the MoD there's a faction who prefer the Bofors.
