Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
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Get rid of fucking drumbeats. Wastes money. Build as economically as possible.
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Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Depends on the speed of the drumbeatRon5 wrote:Wastes money….
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To me "drumbeat"" implies a steady state of delivery with ships delivered every x months from beginning of class to the end. It precludes any acceleration of delivery due to increased efficiently as the yard navigates the learning curve and implements efficiency upgrades.Poiuytrewq wrote:Depends on the speed of the drumbeatRon5 wrote:Wastes money….
That directly opposes every other industry as products are delivered faster and faster as lines mature. The customer benefits with lower prices.
So no.
But the good news is that the T31 program is not being delivered with a "drumbeat" as far as I know.
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It seems very little thought has gone into timescales and drumbeats if the T31(e) actually ever achieved export success. This is confirmed by DS announcing the T32 would follow the T31. Zero consideration given to export builds within the timeline or amending timelines to construct export frigates.Ron5 wrote:But the good news is that the T31 program is not being delivered with a "drumbeat" as far as I know.
Bizarre really considering how the programme started.
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I’m not sure that’s right. Dates I’ve seen are T31 first five in the water by 2028. Given that T32 is in the pre-concept phase it’s unlikely to be in build by then. I reckon there’s about 5 ships worth of spare capacity there,
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So providing BAE with some "competition" is working thenTempest414 wrote:Only that babcocks built a new shed so BAe seems to think it should
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Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Small post, regarding the new Rosyth shipbuilding hall.
Back in 2020, when planning permission was sought the building was to measure 60m x 160m. However, since the first steel was cut, the length has been reported as only 147m.
Google Earth have just updated their imagery for Rosyth and it is indeed only 147m long. Width appears the same.
No impact on Type 31 itself but will limit the length of future ships/blocks that can be built under cover and away from the Fife climate.
Back in 2020, when planning permission was sought the building was to measure 60m x 160m. However, since the first steel was cut, the length has been reported as only 147m.
Google Earth have just updated their imagery for Rosyth and it is indeed only 147m long. Width appears the same.
No impact on Type 31 itself but will limit the length of future ships/blocks that can be built under cover and away from the Fife climate.
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!" - Dr. Strangelove (1964)
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Confirmed! Nice spot, JensyJensy wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 18:37 Small post, regarding the new Rosyth shipbuilding hall.
Back in 2020, when planning permission was sought the building was to measure 60m x 160m. However, since the first steel was cut, the length has been reported as only 147m.
Google Earth have just updated their imagery for Rosyth and it is indeed only 147m long. Width appears the same.
No impact on Type 31 itself but will limit the length of future ships/blocks that can be built under cover and away from the Fife climate.
Rosyth....
147m long 60m wide
Portsmouth.
200m long 60m wide Note the conveniently positioned T45 (152m long) for scale!
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@SKB you need to start a Portsmouth independence movement if you want your frigate factory back!
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No way. Docker Hughes tried that once.Jensy wrote:you need to start a Portsmouth independence movement
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Four of my formative years were spent catching the Gosport Ferry to school. I used to love standing on the top deck and seeing any RN ships in the Harbour. Only thing better was when we visted the Harbour properly with sea cadets from HMS Collingwood.
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The Frigate factory at Rosyth is ready to start T31...
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How did he not know that First Steel had already been cut ? He should have known!
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Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
I particularly like the "Delivering Inspiration" slogan.... Aside from the obvious it seems like a rather cheeky swipe at...
Also seen a mention today of Babcock increasing their workforce at Rosyth by 500.
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Babcock marks completion of new Rosyth assembly hall with recruitment drive
30 November 2021
Babcock, the defence, security and aerospace company, has unveiled plans to recruit 500 workers for its Type 31 frigate programme as the build of its new state-of-the-art assembly hall, The Venturer Building is completed at its Rosyth site.
The announcement was made as Douglas Chapman MP, employees, industry representatives, local school children and trade unions gathered to witness the commemorative ‘topping out’ ceremony at the new facility.
The event included a demonstration of two 125 tonne gantry cranes, which will be used to assemble the frigates, with local schoolchildren adding the final touches to the facility by helping to plant bulbs and shrubs around its perimeter.
Measuring an impressive 147m x 62m x 42m, The Venturer Building will initially be used for the assembly of the Royal Navy’s Type 31 frigates, providing a facility that can support UK and international shipbuilding activity for decades to come. As the Type 31 programme continues, the fully covered hall will house two frigates for uninterrupted, parallel assembly and will support increased productivity gains through improved access to the platforms and digital connectivity.
The initial recruitment drive to support the programme will include a variety of trades including welders, fabricators and mechanical and electrical fitters as well as production support operatives. The announcement sees the 500 new roles contribute towards the direct workforce which will peak at the height of the programme at around 1250 people across the UK and will support a similar number in the extended supply chain.
Further opportunities will include operations production management, quality and planning.
Will Erith, Chief Executive of Babcock Marine said:
“We are delighted to mark St. Andrew’s Day by celebrating the completion of The Venturer Building which builds on our exceptional heritage in Scotland, delivering a very real step change in capacity and capability for modern UK shipbuilding.
“From the start of this programme we’ve been focussing on prosperity, supporting both the UK and local economies and so it is great we are also announcing 500 new roles on the same day who will directly support the Type 31 programme.”
“I would like to thank everyone involved in the construction of this fantastic building and especially our contractors Robertson Construction. This moment demonstrates further progress in the Type 31 programme and adds to the significant investment over the last decade at our facilities in Rosyth; bringing advancements and efficiencies into manufacturing, build and assembly processes.
This event follows the first steel cut for the Type 31 Frigate Programme and naming ceremony of the Venturer Building held in September.
https://emailmarketing.babcockinternati ... swnlklt-d/
30 November 2021
Babcock, the defence, security and aerospace company, has unveiled plans to recruit 500 workers for its Type 31 frigate programme as the build of its new state-of-the-art assembly hall, The Venturer Building is completed at its Rosyth site.
The announcement was made as Douglas Chapman MP, employees, industry representatives, local school children and trade unions gathered to witness the commemorative ‘topping out’ ceremony at the new facility.
The event included a demonstration of two 125 tonne gantry cranes, which will be used to assemble the frigates, with local schoolchildren adding the final touches to the facility by helping to plant bulbs and shrubs around its perimeter.
Measuring an impressive 147m x 62m x 42m, The Venturer Building will initially be used for the assembly of the Royal Navy’s Type 31 frigates, providing a facility that can support UK and international shipbuilding activity for decades to come. As the Type 31 programme continues, the fully covered hall will house two frigates for uninterrupted, parallel assembly and will support increased productivity gains through improved access to the platforms and digital connectivity.
The initial recruitment drive to support the programme will include a variety of trades including welders, fabricators and mechanical and electrical fitters as well as production support operatives. The announcement sees the 500 new roles contribute towards the direct workforce which will peak at the height of the programme at around 1250 people across the UK and will support a similar number in the extended supply chain.
Further opportunities will include operations production management, quality and planning.
Will Erith, Chief Executive of Babcock Marine said:
“We are delighted to mark St. Andrew’s Day by celebrating the completion of The Venturer Building which builds on our exceptional heritage in Scotland, delivering a very real step change in capacity and capability for modern UK shipbuilding.
“From the start of this programme we’ve been focussing on prosperity, supporting both the UK and local economies and so it is great we are also announcing 500 new roles on the same day who will directly support the Type 31 programme.”
“I would like to thank everyone involved in the construction of this fantastic building and especially our contractors Robertson Construction. This moment demonstrates further progress in the Type 31 programme and adds to the significant investment over the last decade at our facilities in Rosyth; bringing advancements and efficiencies into manufacturing, build and assembly processes.
This event follows the first steel cut for the Type 31 Frigate Programme and naming ceremony of the Venturer Building held in September.
https://emailmarketing.babcockinternati ... swnlklt-d/
Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
A tad concerning that the ships will be built mostly by folk that haven't been hired yet.
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Maybe they're taking the fresh apples from the tree rather than the rotten ones in the barrel
With the North Sea winding down there's a good opportunity to recruit skilled people in the east of Scotland
With the North Sea winding down there's a good opportunity to recruit skilled people in the east of Scotland
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Yep. Babcock are known to be pretty hardline on industrial relations and the unions have been getting arsey with them for a couple of years because they’re not a soft touch like someone else
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Good article on the 40mm gun for the T31.....
https://www.navylookout.com/in-focus-th ... -frigates/
https://www.navylookout.com/in-focus-th ... -frigates/
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Very good article and explains how effective the Mk4 can be if used with 3P ammunition. I am surprised that no mention of this has been made by the Royal Navy so far given how the ships are due into service in a few years time. It being far more capable than the current 30mm mount used by the RN should also make it a possibility to increase the firepower of other vessels from OPVs to RFAs, being able to act as a CIWS is needed but being generally far more flexible than both the 30mm and 20mm Phalanx. A a large "Gunboat" the T-31 will do this role very well and certainly deter many from using number of small fast vessels to attack any ships being escorted by the Ship. But without additional capabilities ir an increase in existing ones the T-31 will be a bit of a niche platform.