HMS Prince of Wales will return to Portsmouth in the next few months for some final maintenance work and the RN is confident she will be ready to begin her programme in August.
Someones confident.
ok, well we shall see I guess. The next few months is very vague, and could be August, which is technically summer I guess.
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 24 Apr 2023, 23:23
by Jdam
Happy to be proven wrong here but wouldn't she need to be out of dry dock and back down to Portsmouth for at least a few weeks before deploying in August?
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 25 Apr 2023, 13:15
by PhillyJ
Jdam wrote: ↑24 Apr 2023, 23:23
Happy to be proven wrong here but wouldn't she need to be out of dry dock and back down to Portsmouth for at least a few weeks before deploying in August?
She is due out at sea for about 4 weeks, once she has left Rosyth, before heading back to Pompey. I very much doubt she will deploy this year, but who knows?
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 13 May 2023, 12:46
by PhillyJ
QNLZ off out on Sunday evening.
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 14 May 2023, 21:29
by SKB
(Navy Lookout/Portsmouth Proud) 14th May 2023
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 19 May 2023, 10:06
by Jdam
Britain to send an aircraft carrier to the Indo-Pacific in 2025
If the POW is ready for it, it would be a good confidence boaster after the last few years to shake off some of the negative press.
Interesting that’s when the Tailsman Saber Ex is supposed to run. Wonder if she will make it to OZ
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 19 May 2023, 12:38
by Dobbo
Some questions on CSG 2025 of note.
Will the first FSS ship be ready? If not, can fort Victoria be relied upon?
Will Crowsnest be up and running?
Which new weapons will be integrated into F35?
Will any drones be operational or in trials by 2025?
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 19 May 2023, 14:23
by Poiuytrewq
Dobbo wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 12:38
Some questions on CSG 2025 of note.
Will the first FSS ship be ready?
Absolutely no chance whatsoever.
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 19 May 2023, 14:29
by Ron5
Dobbo wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 12:38
Will Crowsnest be up and running?
That's been soooo quiet. Not good.
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 19 May 2023, 15:38
by Jdam
Which new weapons will be integrated into F35?
I think we can answer question 3 as well, with none.
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 19 May 2023, 15:43
by new guy
Dobbo wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 12:38
Some questions on CSG 2025 of note.
Will the first FSS ship be ready? If not, can fort Victoria be relied upon?
Will Crowsnest be up and running?
Which new weapons will be integrated into F35?
Will any drones be operational or in trials by 2025?
FSS? 2028 earliest.
Crowsnest? achevied FOC
F-35? 2028 for new weapons. 2028-30 is a has a lot happening. Block 4. New weapons of spear 3, FOSW, meteor, if we order new F-35B's now first will arrive then, First and second T26, T31, FSS.
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 19 May 2023, 20:26
by Poiuytrewq
And this one isn’t April Fools!
Massive.
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 19 May 2023, 20:27
by PhillyJ
Jdam wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 10:06Britain to send an aircraft carrier to the Indo-Pacific in 2025
If the POW is ready for it, it would be a good confidence boaster after the last few years to shake off some of the negative press.
Well PWLS not ready at the moment, she cannot sail, even after the fixes, with one of her lifts stuck at the hangar deck level!
Hopefully she'll have a good 2024, which will build up confidence to send her to the Pacific in 2025, but she still has to go through F35b full integration I guess.
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 19 May 2023, 20:44
by new guy
CSG2030 (Or a bit earlier) is probably the one with the most exciting one in my eyes. Most likely for FOC of 24, more drones by then, T26, T31, FSS!
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 19 May 2023, 21:25
by serge750
nice to see RN on a fixed wing aircraft hope the future drones are not a joint force.....maybe the F35 will be transfered when tempest delivers & the raf want more shiney new toys
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 19 May 2023, 21:38
by PhillyJ
serge750 wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 21:25 nice to see RN on a fixed wing aircraft hope the future drones are not a joint force.....maybe the F35 will be transfered when tempest delivers & the raf want more shiney new toys
...are you lighting the touch paper again.
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 19 May 2023, 22:01
by Poiuytrewq
It was a bit of a giveaway….
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 19 May 2023, 22:39
by SW1
Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 22:01
It was a bit of a giveaway….
Some on here have insisted that such a uav will never be on an aircraft carrier
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 19 May 2023, 22:39
by SW1
Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 22:01
It was a bit of a giveaway….
Some on here have insisted that such a uav will never be on an aircraft carrier
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 19 May 2023, 23:05
by new guy
You heard it here from GA-ASI spokesperson.
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
SW1 wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 22:39
Some on here have insisted that such a uav will never be on an aircraft carrier
Trial is essential. Try and then say yes or no.
One thing to note is, RN at least found some "aspects" worth trying it. I think there are many good things, especially RN cannot foresee filling the 2 CVF's deck with F35Bs. The deck will be relatively empty, and the UAVs can stay in the sky for 12-24 hours (= plenty of time), so the landing collision avoidance (e.g., clearing the port-side of the flight-deck) will be surely doable, if not easy.
Personally, I think a simplish "crash barrier" (nilon nets) to provide a backup fence to keep the precious F35B from possible accidents can be added. UAVs are not so heavy and slow. As kinetic energy is 1/2 * M * v**2, the strength needed for the "net" is only 1/10 or 1/100 of the "net barrier" for fighters (like https://scama.se/aircraft-arresting-sys ... t-barrier/).
Just simply physics.
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
SW1 wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 22:39
Some on here have insisted that such a uav will never be on an aircraft carrier
Trial is essential. Try and then say yes or no.
One thing to note is, RN at least found some "aspects" worth trying it. I think there are many good things, especially RN cannot foresee filling the 2 CVF's deck with F35Bs. The deck will be relatively empty, and the UAVs can stay in the sky for 12-24 hours (= plenty of time), so the landing collision avoidance (e.g., clearing the port-side of the flight-deck) will be surely doable, if not easy.
Personally, I think a simplish "crash barrier" (nilon nets) to provide a backup fence to keep the precious F35B from possible accidents can be added. UAVs are not so heavy and slow. As kinetic energy is 1/2 * M * v**2, the strength needed for the "net" is only 1/10 or 1/100 of the "net barrier" for fighters (like https://scama.se/aircraft-arresting-sys ... t-barrier/).
Just simply physics.
Another pusher in the STOL military area is turkey. I believe for their ideas they also thought of a crash barrier. Also F-35B doing STRL will have a lot less kinetic energy compared to anything on a USN carrier. I will be keen to watch their TB-3 and Bayraktar KIZILELMA Fighter UAV
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 20 May 2023, 07:45
by Timmymagic
new guy wrote: ↑20 May 2023, 06:59
Another pusher in the STOL military area is turkey. I believe for their ideas they also thought of a crash barrier. Also F-35B doing STRL will have a lot less kinetic energy compared to anything on a USN carrier. I will be keen to watch their TB-3 and Bayraktar KIZILELMA Fighter UAV
The Turkish plans are.....rather vague. They're coming up with some CGI and a lot of 'solutions' for the launch and landing issue (the Juan Carlos I design is obviously a lot more space constrained than QE...). TB-3 might have a chance of getting onboard....but Kizilelma? Not a hope....at least without such a significant rebuild that they may as well have built a new ship....they'd need to source catapult and arrestor gear to make it practicable....and the US ain't selling...
Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 22:01
It was a bit of a giveaway….
Some on here have insisted that such a uav will never be on an aircraft carrier
I insisted THIS uav would never deploy. Not quite the same thing. I still think that. With a Navy investment of 1.5 million (to paint FLY NAVY on its side?) this is merely a suck it and see trial.
nice to see RN on a fixed wing aircraft 
