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For those who can see it, here is the trailer about the incoming "Impossible Engineering" documentary on the QE class: http://yesterday.uktv.co.uk/impossible- ... 1-preview/
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Usual rather opinionated post by Soloman over on snafu. Apparently the UK has "gone sour" on the F35b & the carriers.

http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... t.html?m=1

He has some great stuff on his blog at times, then the next time he just talks total shite

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Dahedd wrote:Usual rather opinionated post by Soloman over on snafu. Apparently the UK has "gone sour" on the F35b & the carriers.

http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... t.html?m=1

He has some great stuff on his blog at times, then the next time he just talks total shite
Interesting to see people in the comments section lapping it all up. :roll:
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:shock: Wow... What a load of poppycock... A bunch of ridiculous opinions bleated as fact.

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Solomon has some interesting articles, however his 'facts' regarding British defence seem to be based on Fox News reports. I'm not saying defence in the UK isn't hurting, but the way he goes on you'd assume we've let Putin take up residence in Buckingham Palace
and replaced our jets with Cessnas.

Edit: Just saw his other article on the F-35 numbers with select quotes from The Indy. Suggest next time he tries investigating an issue before he mongs out and throws incorrect assumptions around.

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Maybe someone should educate 'Solomon' in the reasons for why the UK and worldwide economy suffered so much and whom to blame for it... all because of the collapse of several very dodgy American banks and financial institutions. You know, banks aren't really supposed to give mortgages to poorer people who can't afford them, ripple effects etc... :roll:

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-Eddie- wrote:Solomon has some interesting articles, however his 'facts' regarding British defence seem to be based on Fox News reports.
Reading some of his stuff actually makes Fox look logical and factual ;) .

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-Eddie- wrote:replaced our jets with Cessnas.
You joke, but some of our countries "defence forces" have actually done that ;_;

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IrishT wrote:
-Eddie- wrote:replaced our jets with Cessnas.
You joke, but some of our countries "defence forces" have actually done that ;_;
Back to basics ;) a Cessna and a .38 Webley...

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Has anyone mentioned that the QE class flickr page has some shots of the PoW island arriving?
... or am I as late as ever?!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/qeclasscarriers

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SKB wrote:Maybe someone should educate 'Solomon' in the reasons for why the UK and worldwide economy suffered so much and whom to blame for it... all because of the collapse of several very dodgy American banks and financial institutions. You know, banks aren't really supposed to give mortgages to poorer people who can't afford them, ripple effects etc... :roll:
George Bush told the Congress no less than 17 times that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were ticking bombs that would have disastrous results if they went off, but you know, all the Democrats said he was a booger eating moron and everything was just fine. Well the moron was right after all, but got blamed for it anyway.
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Dahedd wrote: He has some great stuff on his blog at times, then the next time he just talks total shite
Unfortunately one feeds the other, people who send him stuff do so because they like the shite he says and since saying it gets him cool stuff he proceeds to double down. Then you have the Foxtrot Alpha and Medium blogs that are all about generating traffic, so they use clickbait headlines and shallow but attention-grabbing writing. There are precious few sites like TD or ID that try to stay level-headed when discussing defense.

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Pseudo wrote:You've got to love the exacting shipbuilding process that would allow for the fitting ramp to the island to be fitted before the island is in place.
"Exacting" . . . YES!!! Yes it is! :lol:

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IrishT wrote:
-Eddie- wrote:replaced our jets with Cessnas.
You joke, but some of our countries "defence forces" have actually done that ;_;
All joking aside, back during Operation Earnest Will (for those not yet born or otherwise unaware of world events ongoing at the time, that was the code name given to the re-flagging of Kuwaiti shipping . . . to US . . . and the USN armed escorting of same, during the so called "tanker war" of the 1980s), all US warships and escorted shipping carried "Stinger Detachments" on board specifically intended to deal with a CIA threat analysis that warned that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard might try to sneak something like a Cessna or Alouette loaded with explosives into the fray in a low level suicide attack while we were otherwise distracted by a surface craft swarm engagement (the proximate cause, besides the CO's aggressive stupidity, of the Vincennes-Airbus disaster), or more conventional air attack.

These were teams of young sailors on two-year active duty enlistments fresh out of boot camp who had been trained to do one thing, and one thing only; fire the Stinger missile at aircraft in various attack profiles. The team was six to ten members strong as I recall, and led by a similarly fresh caught Ensign from Officer Candidate School (OCS) in Newport, Rhode Island.

They moved from ship-to-ship, never really "home," and they were stuck there for the entire length of their two-year enlistments. This was an entirely voluntary assignment and they were told by the guy that recruited them, exactly what their enlistment would entail, so no lies were told; but these mostly high school kids didn't have the experience to inform that decision to sign on the dotted line.

As I said, they moved from ship-to-ship, but rarely had the chance to visit a liberty port other than Manama, Bahrain, with Muscat, Oman being the possible exception. Can you imagine, even if you have no experience in uniform, what kind morale problem they became, through no real fault of their own? That administrative mess wasn't of their making. Our XO had to transfer out early to catch his command ride, and the billet was unfilled for about two months so I had to hold down both the Chief Engineer and XO jobs. What did I spend 90% of my time doing with roughly 3% of the "crew?" :roll: Nothing good or useful. :evil:

Anyway, to my knowledge no Stingers were ever fired in anger by any of those detachments, and all of the many Cessna pilots in Gulf (in truth I'm not sure there were or are any) remained safe from the depredations of the US Navy and either its Standard Missiles or that Stinger fired by the most pissed-off sailor who ever walked a deck. :shock:
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Let's stick to discussing the carriers, chaps.

And welcome, Halidon, it's nice to see you here. :)

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The Armchair Soldier wrote:Let's stick to discussing the carriers, chaps.

And welcome, Halidon, it's nice to see you here. :)
Fair enough, but I would like it noted for the HMS Queen Elizabeth Punk Slap Record that while I did contribute to the side trip down memory lane, I didn't make the initial wrong turn at Albuquerque, and I also had a lot of help. Also, the "HMS LEGO Liz" photograph, while submitted with humorous intent WAS on topic. Just sayin'. ;)
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desertswo wrote:
The Armchair Soldier wrote:Let's stick to discussing the carriers, chaps.

And welcome, Halidon, it's nice to see you here. :)
Fair enough, but I would like it noted for the HMS Queen Elizabeth Punk Slap Record that while I did contribute to the side trip down memory lane, I didn't make the initial wrong turn at Albuquerque, and I also had a lot of help. Also, the "HMS LEGO Liz" photograph, while submitted with humorous intent WAS on topic. Just sayin'. ;)
Yeah, I didn't have a problem with your LEGO post, more with the post that came after it.

Back to the carriers:

Here's some images of the forward island being lifted into place.


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The Armchair Soldier wrote:Let's stick to discussing the carriers, chaps.

And welcome, Halidon, it's nice to see you here. :)
Thank you for the welcome, nice to see you chaps again :D

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Just received this press release

Hybrid Air Vehicles' Crowdfund reaches its £2 million target
Hybrid Air Vehicles, the manufacturer of the ground-breaking Airlander, reaches £2 million target in record-breaking crowdfunding.
In one of the largest ever equity crowdfunding raises in the UK, Hybrid Air Vehicles secures the cash needed for returning the Airlander to flight.

In February 2015, HAV secured a Government grant of up to £3.4 million through the Regional Growth Fund (subject to due diligence) and in March secured a €2.5 million grant through the EU Horizon 2020 programme, reserved for the most innovative small companies with high growth potential.* In order to match fund this, HAV have used Crowdcube's platform to raise £2 million.
The money will be used for returning the Airlander to flight, hence the campaign hashtag, #PrepareForTakeOff. The Return to Flight programme consists of:
HAV submit formal "Type Certification" application for Airlander 10 to the European Aviation regulators, EASA.
The first of 40 new hires started work last week – HAV have announced the vacancies, available right now and will be filling them as soon as possible.
HAV will start announcing supply chain deals, securing other UK jobs and growth.The first one, with BOC to supply helium was announced late last week.

Any recent developments regarding the "possibility" of using this as a platform for COD missions ?
I contacted them directly twice in a the last couple years. The first time they said "As a matter of policy, we would never publicly comment on any potential customer enquiries unless they specifically asked us to. " and more recently they didn't even bother getting back to me.

Seeing that they had to resort to crowfunding to keep the project and company going clearly indicates that British MoD/Royal Navy has dropped any interest they might have had at some point ?!

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xav wrote:Just received this press release

Hybrid Air Vehicles' Crowdfund reaches its £2 million target
Hybrid Air Vehicles, the manufacturer of the ground-breaking Airlander, reaches £2 million target in record-breaking crowdfunding.
In one of the largest ever equity crowdfunding raises in the UK, Hybrid Air Vehicles secures the cash needed for returning the Airlander to flight.

In February 2015, HAV secured a Government grant of up to £3.4 million through the Regional Growth Fund (subject to due diligence) and in March secured a €2.5 million grant through the EU Horizon 2020 programme, reserved for the most innovative small companies with high growth potential.* In order to match fund this, HAV have used Crowdcube's platform to raise £2 million.
The money will be used for returning the Airlander to flight, hence the campaign hashtag, #PrepareForTakeOff. The Return to Flight programme consists of:
HAV submit formal "Type Certification" application for Airlander 10 to the European Aviation regulators, EASA.
The first of 40 new hires started work last week – HAV have announced the vacancies, available right now and will be filling them as soon as possible.
HAV will start announcing supply chain deals, securing other UK jobs and growth.The first one, with BOC to supply helium was announced late last week.

Any recent developments regarding the "possibility" of using this as a platform for COD missions ?
I contacted them directly twice in a the last couple years. The first time they said "As a matter of policy, we would never publicly comment on any potential customer enquiries unless they specifically asked us to. " and more recently they didn't even bother getting back to me.

Seeing that they had to resort to crowfunding to keep the project and company going clearly indicates that British MoD/Royal Navy has dropped any interest they might have had at some point ?!

I think the MOD trials of the airship are still planned, and government funding has not been withdrawn, as far as i know. I suppose they just needed extra quids on top of that.
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Is it me or is the construction sequence for POW completely different to that for QE. Does anyone know the reasoning behind the change?

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I wouldn't say it has been completely different. Its similar to QE's, but with efficiency changes added in. The ACA has clearly learned things experienced from the first ship's assembly to speed up the second ships. Plus, most of PoW's hull was already being built off-site in other yards while QE was being assembled, so it may only 'seem' PoW is being assembled more quickly too.

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While the construction is taking a different order for PoW vs QE, have there been any design changes?

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A better view of the Forward Island lift. Also, the ramp block sitting on the flight deck looks like its the forward-most ramp block, because it appears to have the rounded front end (within a support frame)

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On the lower right it looks like CB01 undergoing preparatory work. I assume they're going to try adding CB01, UB01 and the first stage of the ramp before skidding.

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