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Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 07 Sep 2023, 16:14
by bobp
Some of the different Boxer variants available,

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 07 Sep 2023, 21:10
by Jensy
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-07/ ... /102827740
In July, the federal government announced South Korea's Hanwha had been awarded a multi-billion-dollar deal to construct new Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFVs), beating a bid from German company Rheinmetall.

Just weeks before the IFV decision was revealed, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese used a visit to Berlin to announce Australia would supply more than 100 Rheinmetall Boxer heavy weapon carriers to Germany from 2025.

Overnight, Germany's Business Insider publication has reported government sources in Berlin as saying "the procurement of new Boxers planned jointly with Australia has been stopped" following the decision to award the larger IFV contract to Hanwha.
Someone appears to throwing their toys out of their pram...

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 11 Sep 2023, 13:31
by sol
Animated presentation of Elbit Crossbow 120mm turret mortar system. In presentation it is mounted on Boxer, with .50 cal as coaxial.


Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 12 Sep 2023, 20:29
by Timmymagic
RS4 is the model we're buying....rather straightforward anti-UAV system...


Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 13 Sep 2023, 05:33
by Jackstar
A multi-million-pound subcontract has been awarded to HUBER+SUHNER, to supply radio frequency and low frequency cable harnesses for the British Army's Boxer MIV Programme.

HERISAU, Switzerland, Sept. 11, 2023 /PRNewswire/ -- The contract ensures the Boxer vehicles will be equipped with cable harnesses that will provide safe, reliable and mission-critical operation for British Army Boxer crews.

With a global presence across 80 countries, HUBER+SUHNER will carry out the work at its Oxfordshire and Staffordshire facilities, to ensure UK skilled manufacturing roles for the Boxer programme.

The contract will also support growth, including recruitment of additional roles in engineering and operations, with further recruitment planned over the coming years.
https://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-relea ... 22139.html

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 13 Sep 2023, 08:45
by Tempest414
Timmymagic wrote: 12 Sep 2023, 20:29 RS4 is the model we're buying....rather straightforward anti-UAV system...

It also gives any vehicle fitted with LMM a guided weapon against light and medium armoured vehicles

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 13 Sep 2023, 10:19
by sol
Timmymagic wrote: 12 Sep 2023, 20:29 RS4 is the model we're buying....rather straightforward anti-UAV system...

Wonder does it have any mean to detect drone or it i relying on visual spotting.

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 13 Sep 2023, 10:47
by Tempest414
sol wrote: 13 Sep 2023, 10:19
Timmymagic wrote: 12 Sep 2023, 20:29 RS4 is the model we're buying....rather straightforward anti-UAV system...

Wonder does it have any mean to detect drone or it i relying on visual spotting.
I guess one of these in each Battalion to spot and direct

https://www.army-technology.com/news/sa ... x-at-dsei/

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 13 Sep 2023, 11:49
by Timmymagic
Tempest414 wrote: 13 Sep 2023, 10:47 I guess one of these in each Battalion to spot and direct
Think there are only 10 on order to date. But I suspect more will come.

What will be interesting is to see if the passive ADAD sensor gets a refresh. it's not only mounted on Stormer but also as a standalone mount for LML. As a passive system it has a lot of merit. Would have thought that it would make a lot of sense to have a similar setup on some RWS, particularly if you can update the sensor and also introduce some AI processing to rapidly identify targets.

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 13 Sep 2023, 15:04
by Tempest414
Timmymagic wrote: 13 Sep 2023, 11:49
Tempest414 wrote: 13 Sep 2023, 10:47 I guess one of these in each Battalion to spot and direct
Think there are only 10 on order to date. But I suspect more will come.

What will be interesting is to see if the passive ADAD sensor gets a refresh. it's not only mounted on Stormer but also as a standalone mount for LML. As a passive system it has a lot of merit. Would have thought that it would make a lot of sense to have a similar setup on some RWS, particularly if you can update the sensor and also introduce some AI processing to rapidly identify targets.
If we moved to having 6 brigades with 3 battalion battle groups in each we would need 12 X1 radars plus the radars for the Sky Sabre batteries

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 13 Sep 2023, 17:13
by Timmymagic
Tempest414 wrote: 13 Sep 2023, 15:04 If we moved to having 6 brigades with 3 battalion battle groups in each we would need 12 X1 radars plus the radars for the Sky Sabre batteries
And we'd need attrition reserves as well.

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 13 Sep 2023, 18:14
by Tempest414
Timmymagic wrote: 13 Sep 2023, 17:13
Tempest414 wrote: 13 Sep 2023, 15:04 If we moved to having 6 brigades with 3 battalion battle groups in each we would need 12 X1 radars plus the radars for the Sky Sabre batteries
And we'd need attrition reserves as well.
Yes we would and I got it wrong 6 Brigades with 3 BBG's each would need 18 units so we would be looking at 28 radars as a starter

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 15 Sep 2023, 08:29
by Jackstar
Rafael has announced that Pearson Engineering will play a 'significant role' in delivering the Samson 30mm remote weapon station.

Initially aimed at UK opportunities, the collaboration launched at DSEI 2023 will see knowledge and skills transferred to Pearson's Newcastle-based team.
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/land ... r-uk-prog/

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 19 Sep 2023, 13:52
by NickC
RR's (MTU) screw driver plant in East Grinstead, West Sussex, has delivered its first engine with the assembly and load testing of the 600 KW MTU 8V199 TE21 engine for the Boxer.

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/rolls ... -vehicles/

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 09:23
by bobp
Possible upgrade for Boxer engine...

https://x.com/nicholadrummond/status/17 ... 96731?s=20

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 23 Dec 2023, 17:51
by Jackstar
Boxer prototypes arrive in UK ahead of British Army trials.
"The arrival of the vehicles will allow troops from the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers to begin getting up-close and trialling Boxer, marking a major success milestone in the programme."

https://des.mod.uk/boxer-prototypes-bri ... my-trials/

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 30 Dec 2023, 13:29
by Ian Hall

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 09 Jan 2024, 11:30
by Jackstar
UK will produce 60 Boxer vehicles a year.

The United Kingdom is gearing up to manufacture up to 60 Boxer infantry armoured vehicles. These high-performance machinery will cater to both the needs of the British Army and markets across Europe and beyond.

Production of the Boxer Armored Fighting Vehicles [AFVs] will take place in facilities at Telford and Stockport. Current reports suggest that both plants are expanding their production capabilities to accommodate this new project. The UK has plans in place to acquire a total of 623 vehicles of this kind. The first batch of 117 vehicles will be made in Germany, while the remainder – a hefty 506 – will roll off the production lines in Telford and Stockport.

On July 19, the UK Ministry of Defence shared its plan to acquire between 400 and 600 Boxer vehicles. They’re even considering the possibility of adding up to 900 more. This could bump up the total purchasing number to a whopping 1500 units. Given the UK’s ambitious order and their renewed partnership, we’re now exploring potential local manufacturing and export opportunities for these Boxer vehicles.




Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 22 Jan 2024, 19:32
by sol
Looks like additional order of Boxers might come soon(ish), but it would be less than number or of funded vehicles.
More broadly, the UK has decided against procuring close to an additional 400 vehicles, despite allocating funding for 1,016 platforms last year. A reduced figure has since been declared because of affordability issues, but several hundred are set to be ordered, according to the British Army presentation.
https://breakingdefense.com/2024/01/uk- ... in-delays/

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 22 Jan 2024, 19:57
by RunningStrong
Industry has no appetite for accepting any risk in the supply chain. MoD has burned way too many matches on promises of large fleets and then placing small orders (AJAX, Foxhound etc etc). Then out that in the context of government finances and election year and no wonder they've put little effort into improving the supply chain for MoDs benefit.

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 23 Jan 2024, 14:02
by Ron5

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 23 Jan 2024, 22:50
by sol
So among 623 already ordered Boxers, 146 are APC, 200 "specialist carriers", 212 C&C and 65 ambulances. That looks like 3 battalions worth of APCs.


Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 05 Feb 2024, 18:48
by Jackstar
IAV 2024 – Where does the Boxer go.
At the International Armoured Vehicles Conference organised by Defence iQ, which took place at Twickenham, London, 22-25 January, several briefings were centred on the Boxer, the 8×8 armoured vehicle designed and manufactured by ARTEC, the joint venture between Rheinmetall and Krauss-Maffei Wegman formed in 1999. Selected by the UK DoD as the Mechanised Infantry Vehicle in 2018, the new vehicle is close to deployment with the British Army, and new variants are envisaged.
https://www.edrmagazine.eu/british-army ... e-boxer-go

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 06 Feb 2024, 13:50
by Ron5
Jackstar wrote: 05 Feb 2024, 18:48 IAV 2024 – Where does the Boxer go.
At the International Armoured Vehicles Conference organised by Defence iQ, which took place at Twickenham, London, 22-25 January, several briefings were centred on the Boxer, the 8×8 armoured vehicle designed and manufactured by ARTEC, the joint venture between Rheinmetall and Krauss-Maffei Wegman formed in 1999. Selected by the UK DoD as the Mechanised Infantry Vehicle in 2018, the new vehicle is close to deployment with the British Army, and new variants are envisaged.
https://www.edrmagazine.eu/british-army ... e-boxer-go
Very interesting article. Thanks for posting. The UK Boxer plans sound very ambitious. Let's hope they deliver.

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Posted: 12 Feb 2024, 05:44
by Jackstar
1st Battalion The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers of the 20th Armoured Infantry Brigade Combat Team will be the first to receive the Boxer vehicle.
https://www.forces.net/technology/land- ... s-revealed