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Interesting their Dear leaders condemnation of bombing today makes a marked difference from Sunday

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corbyn's andrew neil interview is brilliant

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marktigger wrote:corbyn's andrew neil interview is brilliant

Brilliant as in good or brilliant for the comedy value ?

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Prediction: Conservatives win the 2017 General Election. Jeremy Corbyn then resigns Friday morning as Labour Party Leader. Labour then begin another campaign/fundraising event to find a new party leader at £48 per vote from its members. (Labour Party standard membership is 12 monthly £4 payments..!)
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I'll suggest it goes like this:

Tories vin by 10%ish, 60-80 seat majority. Labour popular vote exceeded that of GE2015 (ca. 33%ish) - Corbyn and Momentum determined to stay because if all their votes for Socialism. Labour Party at a very difficult cross roads....

Though I must admit given the utterly terrible Conservative campaign I'm becoming slightly less confident, and it might be a bit less than a 10% differential. With a decent campaign the Conservatives could have smashed this easily, and Corbyn's popular vote share would have been in the 20's which would have made it much easier for the party to get rid of him and his acolytes

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Tory win but only just

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So, what do you think that the effect of recent Corbyn's attacks on May ( because of her role as 6-years Home Secretary ) will be on elections?
Fortune favors brave sir, said Carrot cheerfully.
What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
Oh, noone's ever heard of Fortune favoring them, sir.
According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…

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abc123 wrote:So, what do you think that the effect of recent Corbyn's attacks on May ( because of her role as 6-years Home Secretary ) will be on elections?
That's was just to stir things up before the press could look at bollocks he's spoken about in the past saying that supporting isis is just a political opinion and not an offence in any form or manor and his usual statement questioning a shoot to kill policy.

Face it if he was in power there may be more Police but they wouldn't have the powers to investigate his potential voter base nor would they be able to respond with force. He's already curtailed those attacks on May as he knows full well that 50,000 extra officers wouldn't have been able to stop those London attacks without due cause and he certainly can't afford, justify or would be willing to sanction a round the clock in depth monitoring of the 23,000 potential Jihadi in the UK. We don't have interment and can't have it at the moment under EU human rights laws and he would be opposed to it on principal anyway.

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Labour are calling todays General Election results 'a success'. But let's compare the General Elections from the last 20 years.

326 seats required for Majority Government

2017: 262 seats (Leader: Jeremy Corbyn) <
2015: 232 seats (Leader: Ed Milliband)
2010: 258 seats (Leader: Gordon Brown) <
2005: 356 seats (Leader: Tony Blair)
2001: 413 seats (Leader: Tony Blair)
1997: 418 seats (Leader: Tony Blair)

They have only done as well as 2010 which they lost when Gordon Brown was leader, resulting in the previous Hung Parliament... :roll: :lol:

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Yes, the Tories ran a terrible campaign, on a poor manifesto, with a poor candidate for PM - and yet Labour were still some 55-60 seats away from being the largest party and 65-70 seats away from a majority. And somehow, Corbyn and his disciples are acting as if they have won.....

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Jeremy Corbyn sacks Labour's Owen Smith over second EU referendum call
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:lol: :wave: :clap:

Owen Smith was the former Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary.
BBC News: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43521321

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Would it be cynical to suggest that the timing of the sacking is somewhat fortuitous since it detracts/deflects from Corbyn's latest antisemetic revelations....he and his cronies are destroying the labour party, and the so-called moderates don't have the stones to do anything about it

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Found this and thought I'd share it....

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All matters of public record...

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..but the snowflakes don't care because, you know, Jezza, he's cool and will give us all this 'free stuff'...

Arseholes.

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corbyn is a communist scumbag

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dmereifield wrote:Would it be cynical to suggest that the timing of the sacking is somewhat fortuitous since it detracts/deflects from Corbyn's latest antisemetic revelations....he and his cronies are destroying the labour party
In order to do so he first needs to consolidate support within the half (or less) that is supporting him. So he destroys the "internal" opposition first, and when there are only "Diane Abbots" left standing around him, while clinging onto the leadership role, it becomes evident to the electorate that if the "moderates" can't run their own party, how could they be trusted with the country = Job Done

Now: who's next? This Chuka Umunna seems to have his head over the parapet (once?) too often
- anyone? up for a virtual pint?
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:
dmereifield wrote:Would it be cynical to suggest that the timing of the sacking is somewhat fortuitous since it detracts/deflects from Corbyn's latest antisemetic revelations....he and his cronies are destroying the labour party
In order to do so he first needs to consolidate support within the half (or less) that is supporting him. So he destroys the "internal" opposition first, and when there are only "Diane Abbots" left standing around him, while clinging onto the leadership role, it becomes evident to the electorate that if the "moderates" can't run their own party, how could they be trusted with the country = Job Done

Now: who's next? This Chuka Umunna seems to have his head over the parapet (once?) too often
- anyone? up for a virtual pint?
I'll take that bet, if only because Chuka Umunna doesn't have a shadow ministerial portfolio for Corbyn to sack him from. :D

Mine's a virtual Wylam Collingwood thanks.:D :D :D

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ArmChairCivvy wrote:
dmereifield wrote:Would it be cynical to suggest that the timing of the sacking is somewhat fortuitous since it detracts/deflects from Corbyn's latest antisemetic revelations....he and his cronies are destroying the labour party
In order to do so he first needs to consolidate support within the half (or less) that is supporting him. So he destroys the "internal" opposition first, and when there are only "Diane Abbots" left standing around him, while clinging onto the leadership role, it becomes evident to the electorate that if the "moderates" can't run their own party, how could they be trusted with the country = Job Done

Now: who's next? This Chuka Umunna seems to have his head over the parapet (once?) too often
- anyone? up for a virtual pint?
Agree with Pseudo (mines a Doombar), although Chukka has been outspoken, I think there are more obvious and easier targets...I think he is more likely to force others out covertly - there were rumours that Heidi Alexander was going to stand down for example. However, sadly I don't agree with your assertion that the electorate will see through him when they see that the moderates have been extinguished...nothing seems to stick...
The moderates need to fight back before its too late

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Served to you by the Spectator:

"1. Heidi Alexander joins march of the moderates


2. Thornberry: UK should ‘remain in the customs union’
[...] We don’t want any faffing around with any of the nonsense that the government is coming up with in relation to alternatives to the customs union. We want to remain in the customs union.’ Jeremy Corbyn has previously said he wants to join a new customs union with the EU."
- that's the EEA then... do they not talk to each other (or perhaps they do not understand the jargon; that happens within the Tory party as well)?
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)

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:lol: :mrgreen:
The former Shadow Secretary for Health (look at the SIZE of her!) Heidi Alexander has quit Parliament to work for London mayor Sadiq Khan instead, triggering a by-election for her Lewisham East seat in London.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44041447

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MP quits Labour Party
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Labour MP John Woodcock quits Labour with attack on 'hard left' and will now sit as an independent in the House of Commons.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44871628

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ArmChairCivvy wrote:Thornberry: UK should ‘remain in the customs union’
[...] We don’t want any faffing around with any of the nonsense that the government is coming up with in relation to alternatives to the customs union. We want to remain in the customs union.’ Jeremy Corbyn has previously said he wants to join a new customs union with the EU."
- that's the EEA then
So far Labour seems to have been happy to let the Tories keep digging (themselves deeper), but for a snap election they would obviously need to agree " a line" of their own... so this little piece is quite interesting:
" the Guardian reports that Monday’s awayday for the Shadow Cabinet will approve plans for an emergency Queen’s Speech"
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)

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So far Labour seems to have been happy to let the Tories keep digging (themselves deeper), but for a snap election they would obviously need to agree " a line" of their own
and some people may have come out of their conference
"worried by Starmer and Emily Thornberry hinting that an extension to Article 50 - aka delaying Brexit Day beyond next March - may be needed".
- the latter quote from today's Waughpost
- it is not only about a possible snap election... but also about a possible future [Labour] leader being on record for being 'pragmatic'.
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)

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:mrgreen:

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As creativity is starting to take over from reality (of the situation) Portillo's face is a treasure to watch... being less burdened by roles than the narrator or the current politician (trying hard to keep a straight face) also partaking
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)

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