Labour Party
- ArmChairCivvy
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Re: Labour Party
Look for job adverts for "More Minders" https://news.sky.com/story/labour-whips ... s-11585316
As always:"For England and St George ... and Andrew ... and David... and a wee lad called Patrick.. the last one is, at times, a bit of a trouble maker" as Corby just found out:
"The DUP, who provide Mrs May with a working majority in parliament, confirmed on Monday night they would not support Labour's call of no confidence in the prime minister.
This was despite the party's Brexit spokesman Sammy Wilson suggesting the DUP would be prepared to back a censure motion in Mrs May last week."
As always:"For England and St George ... and Andrew ... and David... and a wee lad called Patrick.. the last one is, at times, a bit of a trouble maker" as Corby just found out:
"The DUP, who provide Mrs May with a working majority in parliament, confirmed on Monday night they would not support Labour's call of no confidence in the prime minister.
This was despite the party's Brexit spokesman Sammy Wilson suggesting the DUP would be prepared to back a censure motion in Mrs May last week."
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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Re: Labour Party
The "More Minders sought" job advert has been pulled back, for editing: "Even More Minders"
https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corby ... s-11586172
https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corby ... s-11586172
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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Re: Labour Party
The latest controversies are starting to force Jeremy Corbyn off the fence (while still dodging a view on PV). The Guardian attributes
"My proposal at this moment is that we go forward, trying to get a customs union with the EU, in which we would be able to be proper trading partners." but of course 'the better deal' would somehow come without Level Playing Field, as he attacked the EU with:
"I think the state aid [hence competition] rules do need to be looked at again"
"My proposal at this moment is that we go forward, trying to get a customs union with the EU, in which we would be able to be proper trading partners." but of course 'the better deal' would somehow come without Level Playing Field, as he attacked the EU with:
"I think the state aid [hence competition] rules do need to be looked at again"
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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Re: Labour Party
The conditions the Labour Party have for set for agreeing to any exit deal seem to me to be incompatible with actually leaving the EU, or at best leaving while accepting EU rules with no influence over said rules! Which I think was the intention of the Shadow Brexit Minister when he produced them.
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Re: Labour Party
whitelancer wrote:The conditions the Labour Party have for set for agreeing to any exit deal seem to me to be incompatible with actually leaving the EU
And as they (beyond that) do not seem to have a clue, what's the hurry with fighting an election?
John McDonnell to address a ‘People’s Assembly Against Austerity’ demonstration today on the theme ‘Britain is broken – general election now’.
There will be one soon enough, as tomorrow Marine Le Pen’s National Rally party will launch its European Parliament election campaign in Paris
... except that by May we will - supposedly - have left
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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Re: Labour Party
BBC quoting from Stoke-on-Trent on Saturday, and on this rare occasion I find myself completely agreeing:
["]"Don't expect us to be bought and bribed in this way - that's a form of corrupt politics that we don't want to be introduced into our political system."
Mr McDonnell also criticised the government over its "supply and confidence" arrangement with the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP).
The DUP negotiated a deal for an extra £1bn in spending for Northern Ireland over two years in exchange for supporting Mrs May's minority Conservative government, following the snap election in 2017.
Mr McDonnell said: "It was something like £100m a vote they spent to get the DUP supporting them, so they already introduced that pork-barrel contractual politics.
"I think it degrades our political system and to try and extend it in this way, I think it's dangerous for our democracy."["]
["]"Don't expect us to be bought and bribed in this way - that's a form of corrupt politics that we don't want to be introduced into our political system."
Mr McDonnell also criticised the government over its "supply and confidence" arrangement with the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP).
The DUP negotiated a deal for an extra £1bn in spending for Northern Ireland over two years in exchange for supporting Mrs May's minority Conservative government, following the snap election in 2017.
Mr McDonnell said: "It was something like £100m a vote they spent to get the DUP supporting them, so they already introduced that pork-barrel contractual politics.
"I think it degrades our political system and to try and extend it in this way, I think it's dangerous for our democracy."["]
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
Re: Labour Party
Something of a Mandy Rice-Davies moment for McDonnell, there, I believe. If the shoe was on the other foot etc.
The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.
Winston Churchill
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- ArmChairCivvy
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Re: Labour Party
We could do the circular thing again, with block votes
- the party (esp. if in Gvmnt) bribes the unions
- if not, the unions bring in "new mgt"
- the party (esp. if in Gvmnt) bribes the unions
- if not, the unions bring in "new mgt"
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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Re: Labour Party
A broadside from Tony Blair in both directions:
"For the country to do that, as Theresa May wants to do - to leave without knowing what Brexit you get - this would be, in my view, an incredibly foolish thing for the country to do."
AND
"there is, I'm afraid, a nascent alliance between what I would call bits of the sort of Islamist type of politics and the left [of the Labour party]."
"For the country to do that, as Theresa May wants to do - to leave without knowing what Brexit you get - this would be, in my view, an incredibly foolish thing for the country to do."
AND
"there is, I'm afraid, a nascent alliance between what I would call bits of the sort of Islamist type of politics and the left [of the Labour party]."
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
Re: Labour Party
Says the former PM who told us Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, who became George W. Bush's "poodle" lapdog, who sold off the UK's gold reserves at below market prices, politicised the death of the Princess of Wales, and built the vastly expensive and unimpressive Millennium Dome vanity project (O2 Dome)....
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The 'magnificient seven' Chuka Umunna, Luciana Berger, Chris Leslie, Angela Smith, Mike Gapes, Gavin Shuker, Anne Coffey who have resigned from the Labour Party clearly see what is not happening:
policies that are evidence-based, not led by ideology, taking a long-term perspective in the national interest, recognise the value of healthy debate, show tolerance towards different opinions and seek to reach across outdated divides
The pity is that my idle speculation of who will be the next leader of the Labour Party is now... exactly that.
- or, may be, if they chuck out Corbyn and his Revolutionary Guards (Momentum), make Yvette Cooper the interim Leader, do a remerger of the two 'parties'... I could still be right. - A long and winding road, though
policies that are evidence-based, not led by ideology, taking a long-term perspective in the national interest, recognise the value of healthy debate, show tolerance towards different opinions and seek to reach across outdated divides
The pity is that my idle speculation of who will be the next leader of the Labour Party is now... exactly that.
- or, may be, if they chuck out Corbyn and his Revolutionary Guards (Momentum), make Yvette Cooper the interim Leader, do a remerger of the two 'parties'... I could still be right. - A long and winding road, though
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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Re: Labour Party
Aside from what is
"Their criticism ranged from Brexit (where they see the Labour leader as a Brexiteer in a shoddy disguise) to foreign policy (where Mr Corbyn is seen as a danger to national security) and even economic policy (with the party’s direction dismissed as 1970s socialist revanchism)."
The Economist has put together from the same briefing, reading between the lines, a list of what is seen to be happening:not happening [in the Labour Party]:
policies that are evidence-based, not led by ideology, taking a long-term perspective in the national interest, recognise the value of healthy debate, show tolerance towards different opinions and seek to reach across outdated divides
"Their criticism ranged from Brexit (where they see the Labour leader as a Brexiteer in a shoddy disguise) to foreign policy (where Mr Corbyn is seen as a danger to national security) and even economic policy (with the party’s direction dismissed as 1970s socialist revanchism)."
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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call sign has been enhanced by HuffPostThe 'magnificient seven'
"their supporters will see the MPs as the Magnificent Seven of Centrism" and just in time, too, should there be more
- the first poll put their vote share at 8%... more than a per cent per MP
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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Re: Labour Party
The second - well, I have not been counting,actually - put the combined TIG+LibDems a point ahead of LabourArmChairCivvy wrote:the first poll put their vote share at 8%... more than a per cent per MP
Chris Williamson, a "good old Corbynite, according to https://news.sky.com/story/labour-too-a ... n-11649374
"recounted singing Celebration in response to the resignations of a number of Labour MPs last week, many of whom cited antisemitism as a reason for their departure.
Eight former Labour MPs, including Luciana Berger and Joan Ryan, quit the party to form The Independent Group."
As the lyrics don't include "celebrations must go on", perhaps the Wayne Collins lines from Crowd Control
"
Yo I'm trying keep my mind in the zone
No matter what goes wrong, the show must go on"
would have been more appropriate
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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Re: Labour Party
These people!
"John Murphy, 31, from Barnet, north London, was charged in the early hours of Monday morning, the Metropolitan Police said.
Mr Corbyn was unhurt in the incident as he visited Finsbury Park Mosque in north London on Sunday" and was met by Mr. Murphy taking 'eggception'
- what's the matter with them!... or is it him? To make myself clear: that is Mr. Murphy
"John Murphy, 31, from Barnet, north London, was charged in the early hours of Monday morning, the Metropolitan Police said.
Mr Corbyn was unhurt in the incident as he visited Finsbury Park Mosque in north London on Sunday" and was met by Mr. Murphy taking 'eggception'
- what's the matter with them!... or is it him? To make myself clear: that is Mr. Murphy
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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Re: Labour Party
This article in The Independent just a year (and two weeks) ago made it pretty clear what was happening within the Labour party, but by now it is all out in the open, for everyone to see:
"Iain McNicol, the general secretary of the Labour Party, has resigned as Jeremy Corbyn continues to tighten his grip on the party machine.
The former trade union official has held the top post since 2011 but said he was stepping down to “pursue new projects”. He will stand aside once a successor is chosen.
Mr McNicol, the party’s most senior employee, has clashed with Mr Corbyn’s office in private and Labour left-wingers are understood to have long wished to replace him with someone more favourable to their agenda.
His successor will be confirmed at the party's annual conference following a recommendation by the National Executive Committee (NEC), on which the left of the party has a majority. He is all but certain to be replaced by one of the Labour leader's allies."
- how soon will it be the time for a new General Secretary, again?
"Iain McNicol, the general secretary of the Labour Party, has resigned as Jeremy Corbyn continues to tighten his grip on the party machine.
The former trade union official has held the top post since 2011 but said he was stepping down to “pursue new projects”. He will stand aside once a successor is chosen.
Mr McNicol, the party’s most senior employee, has clashed with Mr Corbyn’s office in private and Labour left-wingers are understood to have long wished to replace him with someone more favourable to their agenda.
His successor will be confirmed at the party's annual conference following a recommendation by the National Executive Committee (NEC), on which the left of the party has a majority. He is all but certain to be replaced by one of the Labour leader's allies."
- how soon will it be the time for a new General Secretary, again?
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
Re: Labour Party
Alastair Campbell has been expelled from the Labour Party after Campbell openly admitted on the BBC's live Election Night programme that he had voted for the Liberal Democrats in the recent EU Parliament elections.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48434842
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Well, fairly soon, judging by the investigations that have been going on, but today hit the headlines.ArmChairCivvy wrote:successor [to the previous SecGnrl, McNicol] will be confirmed at the party's annual conference following a recommendation by the National Executive Committee (NEC), on which the left of the party has a majority. He is all but certain to be replaced by one of the Labour leader's allies."
- how soon will it be the time for a new General Secretary, again?
However , Jeremy is hiding again:
"Jeremy Corbyn says Labour will be consulting with members and trade unions on its Brexit policy until its party conference on 21-25 September, when a decision on the matter will be made. [When] The UK is currently due to leave the EU on 31 October."
Well, he has got his hands full...but: When will we get to the point that they have reached in the US: Pelosi and Trump each accusing the other of dementia?
- should we clear out the dinosaurs right now? As for Hezza, perhaps we should bring him in, as a caretaker until "Halloween". Oh no, another Halloween; how many will we need to get through while in this mess?
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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Re: Labour Party
Looks like he couldn't wait, though? Perhaps the LibDems lit the fuseArmChairCivvy wrote:"Jeremy Corbyn says Labour will be consulting with members and trade unions on its Brexit policy until its party conference on 21-25 September, when a decision on the matter will be made.
"new policy: if the Lib Dems win the next election, they will revoke Britain’s Article 50 request to leave the EU “on day one”.
While Labour has wobbled on Brexit..."
In effect, while LibDems have moved from PV to revoke, Labour is rolling GE and PV (promised thereafter) into one
- for their "new deal" ... doesn't that sound like a winning political slogan?... they are, no doubt, reading these pages to get some ideas about what that could look like
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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Re: Labour Party
Skynews comment "falls well short of demands from leading party figures including John McDonnell, Tom Watson and Emily Thornberry, who are calling for Labour to campaign for Remain in an EU poll."
- as two of the three are leaning "too much" either way, will it be Emily who commands the middle ground... and will be the next leader?
- this will not end up well for Corbyn; but first he will need to lead his cavalry into the valley of death, and lose the election. Being shot at from all sides
- as two of the three are leaning "too much" either way, will it be Emily who commands the middle ground... and will be the next leader?
- this will not end up well for Corbyn; but first he will need to lead his cavalry into the valley of death, and lose the election. Being shot at from all sides
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
Re: Labour Party
I don't expect that there'll be much change in the current policy of conducting a referendum on any withdrawal agreement, though they might try and simplify the language around it so that it's a simple sound bite. The Lib Dem's moving to an unequivocal revoke and remain position allows Labour to pitch their position as a compromise.ArmChairCivvy wrote:Looks like he couldn't wait, though? Perhaps the LibDems lit the fuseArmChairCivvy wrote:"Jeremy Corbyn says Labour will be consulting with members and trade unions on its Brexit policy until its party conference on 21-25 September, when a decision on the matter will be made.
"new policy: if the Lib Dems win the next election, they will revoke Britain’s Article 50 request to leave the EU “on day one”.
While Labour has wobbled on Brexit..."
In effect, while LibDems have moved from PV to revoke, Labour is rolling GE and PV (promised thereafter) into one
- for their "new deal" ... doesn't that sound like a winning political slogan?... they are, no doubt, reading these pages to get some ideas about what that could look like
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Re: Labour Party
What is the point of any referendum on any withdrawal agreement if the politicians can simply ignore it if it produces the "wrong" result.
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They had this huge opportunity. But then this Lansman throws it all away (the Bolsheviks started their revolution a tad early; should have waited for the Mensheviks to clear the way, first).Pseudo wrote:unequivocal revoke and remain position allows Labour to pitch their position as a compromise.
- it is like in Animal Farm, releasing the dogs when they were still puppies. The Question is of course: were they released, or did they break their leash
All he had to say on a reporter's question whether the motion was ill judged was "thank you"this will not end up well for Corbyn
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)