T-Force wrote:well the fun begins it's off to the courts we go
Has Sturgeon taken a leaf out of Gina Millers hand book?
I haven’t heard she has made that move yet
T-Force wrote:well the fun begins it's off to the courts we go
Today, MPs were taking part in a SNP debate on introducing a Scottish visa scheme. This relates to devolving powers to the Scottish Government for a tailored migration policy in Scotland.
The Scottish government has long campaigned for immigration powers to be held at Holyrood, with the SNP's manifesto for December's general election calling for a "tailored migration system" to respond to local demographic needs.
Tonight MPs voted against the Opposition Day debate motion on Migration and Scotland, with 322 votes to 46.
Except that more people (in Scotland) will start to see their inaptitude (outside the propaganda dept, which seems to be working well).whitelancer wrote:Wasn't the idea of devolution to put the SNP back in their box and cement Labours position in Scotland. Well that worked well!
Nothing will appease the SNP short of independence
What box do you think that they were out of? Marginally fewer Scots voted for them in 1997 than in 1992 and the two seats that they gained from another party came at the expense of the Tories. The reality is that the commitment to Scottish devolution in the 1997 manifesto was practically the same commitment made in the 1992 and 1987 manifestos and it would be difficult to make the case that the commitment given in the 1987 manifesto was to put the SNP back in the box given that they lost about a third of their vote between the 1979 and 1983 elections. Though admittedly, that drop between 1979 and 1983 was likely due to their connivance in putting Thatcher in to power.whitelancer wrote:For Labour its a case of be careful what you wish for.
Wasn't the idea of devolution to put the SNP back in their box and cement Labours position in Scotland. Well that worked well!
Nothing will appease the SNP short of independence, so It comes down to convincing the people to remain in the union, which is going to be no easy task.
It's not inevitable, but it is a high probability. It really does depend on the actions of HMG in the coming years. If Boris and Gove are going to turn their attention to this issue (strengthening the union and simultarnously making rejoining the EU as costly and unappealing as possible), as has been reported, then I'll be a happy chapppywhitelancer wrote:I take your point.
I should perhaps have said it was designed to keep them in their box. Unfortunately it had the effect of opening the box, which the SNP have taken full advantage of. As closing the box is impossible, I can only see independence as all but inevitable.
Very good question, and not one that I have a decent answer forwhitelancer wrote:The problem is how to go about strengthening the union.