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Which aircraft carrier is already built they could have SW1?

inch wrote:Which aircraft carrier is already built they could have SW1?

Well we have two.

Why the hell do you want to give away one of ours ,are you crazy lol?we have too few assets without giving them away ,I'm sure they quite capable of building their own just fine

Why on earth would we want to sell one, when we are already one short of what we ought to have?

MADEX 2019: HHI secures deal for KDX-III Batch II destroyer initial production

Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) announced on October 10 it has signed a US$565 million contract with the South Korean Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) for the first of three Gwanggaeto-III Batch II (KDX-III Batch II) destroyers for the Republic of Korea Navy (ROK Navy).

https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/ma ... roduction/

ADEX 2019: Hanwha Defense Unveils KAAV-II for ROK Marine Corps

At ADEX 2019, the air and defense exhibition currently held in Seoul, South Korea, local company Hanwha Defense unveiled a scale model of the future KAAV II amphibious assault vehicle.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ine-corps/

If the South Korean Marines get those the USMC are going to be very jealous.

MADEX 2019: HHI wins Conceptual Design Contract for ROK Navy LPX-II Amphibious Ship

South Korean shipyard Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) was awarded a contract this week for the conceptual design of a next-generation amphibious assault ship known as LPX-II and intended for the Republic of Korea Navy (ROK Navy).

HHI is expected to finish the conceptual design by the second half of 2020, with commissioning with Republic of Korea Navy planned for the early 2030s. The vessel, displacing around 30,000 tons would be based on the existing Dokdo-class amphibious assault ship (LPX-I project) and would be able to accommodate around 20 F-35B STOVL fighters.

https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/ma ... ious-ship/

[Video] Coverage of #ADEX2019, the Seoul Airshow, from a maritime & naval defense perspective.

In between two naval defense shows (PACIFIC 2019 in Sydney, Australia and MADEX 2019 in Busan, South Korea) our team visited South Korea's Air and Defense exhibition ADEX 2019, also known as the Seoul Airshow.


We bring you exclusive coverage of this major defense show in Asia, from a naval point of view. Here are the things that caught our attention this year at ADEX:


0:36 - Hanwha Defense unveils KAAV-II amphibious assault vehicle for ROK Marine Corps

2:34 - ROK Navy is procuring P-8A Poseidon Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA) to replace is P-3C Orion

4:50 - Lockheed Martin is pitching the MH-60R Romeo for ROK Navy ASW helicopter requirement

5:57 - First F-35A fighters delivered to ROK Air Force and potential interest in F-35B STOVL aircraft by the ROK Navy

8:11 - The star of the show: The KF-X, South Korea's future stealth fighter

9:02 - LIG Nex1 future cruise missile for the KF-X, with potential

The UK really needs to look at developing even closer ties to South Korea, both their military and defence industries.

MADEX 2019 Day 1 - DSME, KSS III, LIG Nex1 USV, Poongsan

Day 1 at MADEX 2019, the maritime defense exhibition held in Busan, South Korea. In this video we focus on the South Korean naval defense industry:

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1:05 - DSME new 2000 tons submarine design
2:38 - DSME new light frigate
4:09 - DSME KDDX
5:06 - DSME KSS III Batch 2
5:44 - Hanwha Defense Li-Ion batteries for KSS III Batch 2
7:27 - LIG Nex1 C Sword II combat USV
11:08 Poongsan GGRM-5

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That GGRM-5 is very interesting, the 100km range without using a sub calibre projectile is impressive, one the RN should keep an eye on for future assessment of its compatibility with the T-26.

MADEX 2019 Day 2 - HHI, HCX-19, LPX-II, KDDX, Lacroix, Hanwha

Day 2 at MADEX 2019, the maritime defense exhibition held in Busan, South Korea. In this video we focus on:

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0:48 - Hyundai Heavy Industries new HCX-19 concept ship
3:00 - LPX-II aircraft carrier design for ROK Navy
4:01 - Hyundai Heavy Industries new KDDX design
5:11 - Lacroix Defense Sylenna MK2
6:30 - TS TECH K-RBOC NG
8:18 - Hanwha Systems I-MAST for KDDX
9:38 - Hanwha Systems large displacement UUV ASWUUV
10:23 - Hanwha Systems upgrade program for Philippines Navy frigate

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Thanks for posting xav, Very interesting that the carrier will have large lift aft for 2 x F35b maybe CH47 chinook capable? I do think the blast deflector is a must for a smaller carrier, would she have roughly the same airwing as the Italian Cavour?

Why is everyone obsessed with embarking CH-47s on Amphibs and Carriers. The platform is not equipped for sustained carrier operations and will surer substantial wear and tear to both airframe and engines if used as such. Yes embark them for a specific mission but these are not naval assault transports. If you what routinely embarked heavy lift helicopters you need to go down the CH-53 route.

Yes I was thinking for specific short hop missions, maybe special forces, get them below asap to eleviate the worst of the weather (personally I prefer the Osprey) but as you say it would make more sense for the already marinized CH53 for longer deployments, have the ROK got any?

Wouldn't they use this carrier for a sea control type purposes most of the time (uss america lightning carrier concept) ?

Some more of our coverage at MADEX... I have to say I am REALLY impressed by the progress and advance the local industry is getting... some of the "established" shipyards, especially in Europe, should start to worry and invest way more in R&D

MADEX 2019 Day 3 - Naval Defense Technologies by LIG Nex1

Day 3 at MADEX 2019, the maritime defense exhibition held in Busan, South Korea. In this video we focus on LIG Nex1 who is showcasing current and future technologies for modern navies:

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1:03 - 75mm Poniard and 130 mm Biryong guided rockets system to counter swarming surface targets
1:47 - SSM-700K C-Star Anti-Ship Missile
2:15 - Red Shark Hong Sang Eo ASROC anti-submarine rocket
2:39 - Red Dragon TSLM tactical ship to land missile
2:55 - K-SAAM Sea Bow surface to air missile
3:20 - Blue Shark lightweight torpedo
3:46 - Tiger Shark heavyweight torpedo
4:10 - Torpedo decoys
4:58 - PIP Performance Improvement Program for Type 209 KSS I submarine of ROK Navy
5:54 - LIG Nex1 Future Combat Management System (CMS) and CIC for KDDX destroyer
7:14 - LIG Nex1 I-MAST proposal for KDDX destroyer of ROK Navy

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MADEX 2019: LIG Nex1 Proposes Futuristic CIC with Holograms for ROK Navy KDDX Destroyer

EXCLUSIVE: At MADEX 2019, the naval defense show held in South Korea, local defense company LIG Nex1 unveiled its CIC and CMS proposal for the future KDDX destroyer of the ROK Navy.

https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/ma ... destroyer/


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MADEX 2019: DSME On Track with KSS III Batch 2 Submarine Program for ROK Navy

At MADEX 2019, Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) is showcasing a scale model of the KSS III large conventional submarine of the ROK Navy. The company gave us an update on the program, specifically the Batch II variant.

https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/ma ... -rok-navy/

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MADEX 2019: New 2,000 tons attack submarine joins DSME portfolio

At MADEX 2019 naval exhibition in Busan (South Korea), local shipyard DSME launched a new attack submarine design dedicated to the export market based on technologies developed for the ROK Navy KSS III submarine.

https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/ma ... portfolio/

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MADEX 2019: DSME Continues Work on KDDX Design

The scale model on display at MADEX 2019 is not new. It was unveiled many years ago and is well known. What’s new however are the various hull forms that DSME has been studying in the past years in order to optimize its KDDX design.

https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/ma ... dx-design/

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MADEX 2019: DSME lifts veil on new DW2000L Light Frigate design

DSME’s new multipurpose light frigate project features a unique flexible modularity design which allows the customer to easily build a tailor-made solution. « In the rapidly changing naval environment, it is only when you can cope with every tasks that you can win, » explains DSME. The Korean shipmaker is proposing four optimized models to meet the customer specifications in term of speed, range, length, crew and mission:

https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/ma ... te-design/

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MADEX 2019: Sea Sword II combat USV unveiled by LIG Nex1

At MADEX 2019 naval exhibition in Busan, South Korea, LIG Nex1 is showcasing for the first time a longer and more capable version of the Sea Sword combat Unmanned Surface Vehicle (USV).

https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/ma ... -lig-nex1/

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MADEX 2019: KAI’ Surion gets claws with Marine Attack variant

The weapons package includes a 20 mm Gatling gun with 1,400 rounds, 2.75 inch rocket pods, two quad-launchers for antitank guided missile and two dual-launchers for the MBDA’s Mistral ATAM air-to-air missile. South Korea has been using the ground-based Mistral variant for a while.

https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/ma ... k-variant/

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MADEX 2019: KAI pitching new Surion Mine Countermeasures Helicopter variant to ROK Navy

At MADEX 2019 in Busan (South Korea), a new Mine Countermeasures Helicopter (MCH) variant is being pitched by Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI) to answer the ROK Navy requirement for a new airborne countermeasures capability - Naval News.

https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/ma ... -rok-navy/

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MADEX 2019: HHI Unveils HCX-19 Concept Ship

HCX-19 stands for Hyundai Combatant eXperimental 2019. It was created to show HHI’s vision of what surface combatants will look like in the 2030ies and its design relies on two concepts.

https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/ma ... cept-ship/

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MADEX 2019: HHI Unveils KDDX Design Concept for ROK Navy Future DDG Requirement

HHI’s KDDX is 156 meters in length with a beam of 19 meters and a displacement of 6,500 tons. As far as weapon systems are concerned, HHI told us the design is fitted with 8x anti-ship missiles, 48x K-VLS forward and 16x K-VLS II aft. K-VLS II by Hanwha will be able to deploy new generation of missiles such as a new land attack cruise missile in development. On top of the helicopter hangar is a next generation CIWS currently in development with South Korea’s Agency for Defense Development (ADD) and which will be called “K-CIWS”.

https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/ma ... quirement/

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MADEX 2019: Hanwha Defense Unveils ASWUUV for Anti-Submarine Missions

ASWUUV stand for anti-submarine warfare unmanned underwater vehicle. According to Hanwha Systems, it is a large displacement UUV dedicated to anti-submarine warfare missions. It is fitted with a fuel cell system as energy source, providing it with long range and endurance.

https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/ma ... -missions/

So South Korea and Japan are both pursuing compact footprints and 360° real-time video in their command centers, fascinating. I hope someone is able to do a study comparing them to the huge, theater-like SMC on a DDG-1000. I'd be very interested in seeing data on the advantages/disadvantages of each based on real-world use.

xav wrote:I have to say I am REALLY impressed by the progress and advance the local industry is getting... some of the "established" shipyards, especially in Europe, should start to worry and invest way more in R&D
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Hi xav, bet the jet lag is hitting you pretty hard!! You’ve been all over the place these last few months and don’t seem to have long between trips! Xanax at the ready I guess!!

I’d say there’s no doubt Asia is pulling away from Europe and the U.K. in particular and will have a clear lead over us within 20 years or less. Decades of under investment whilst others work hard have a price to pay. National ship building strategy and other poor attempts at sustaining our industry look fairly pathetic when I look at the investment and work going in at all levels from students to the top of industry, R&D, defence spending and more are all way ahead in SK and japan in particular.

cky7 wrote: I’d say there’s no doubt Asia is pulling away from Europe and the U.K. in particular and will have a clear lead over us within 20 years or less. Decades of under investment whilst others work hard have a price to pay.

A good point about how the general effort https://image.businessinsider.com/539e3 ... &auto=webp correlates with the ability to get things done in the military sector where Korea (ROK) is in the Top5 as for R&D absolute expenditure
- that is not easy to see as often the figure is stated as part of defence capacity improvement which incorporates also the "buying of stuff" related to the R&D prgrms

cky7 wrote: Hi xav, bet the jet lag is hitting you pretty hard!! You’ve been all over the place these last few months and don’t seem to have long between trips! Xanax at the ready I guess!!

Well, at least it doesn't "feel like working" so that's good... but yeah, the jet lag, there is no getting used to it... I'll travel a lot less now, until early 2020. Time to re-load the batteries...

HHI Launched Third Daegu-class FFX Batch II frigate for ROK Navy

South Korea's Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) launched ROKS Seoul, the third Daegu-class FFX Batch II frigate for the Republic of Korea Navy (ROK Navy). The event took place on November 11th in presence of the Defense Minister Jeong Kyeong-doo and ROK Navy Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Sim Seung-seob.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -rok-navy/

ROK sending a frigate/ destroyer to Hormuz, will not join anybody else's patrol.

Crew of 300 sounds high... is it bcz their designs are close to those of USN, or is it just due to shore rotation (bumping up the total)?

HHI Wins Construction Contract for ROK Navy’s FFX Ulsan-class Batch III Frigate

Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) succeeded in winning an order for the latest frigate of the Republic of Korea Navy (ROK Navy). HHI announced today that it signed a contract for detailed design and construction of the 3,500 ton FFX Batch III frigate worth a total of 400 billion won with the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA).

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... i-frigate/

Tour of the Republic of Korea (ROK) Navy base in Busan during MADEX 2019 maritime defense exhibition in South Korea. Naval News takes aboard the following vessels:

- ROKS Choi Young 최영 (崔瑩), a Chungmugong Yi Sun-sin-class (KDX-II) destroyer 00:36

- ROKS Soyang 소양 (昭陽), AOE Fast Combat Support Ship 01:27

- HMAS Hobart, Hobart-class Air Warfare Destroyer of the Royal Australian Navy 02:41

- ROKS Jung Ji 정지 (鄭地), a Sohn Wonyil-class / Type 214 / KSS-II submarine 04:32