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I believe the sponsons in the four corners of the Carriers should be enlarged. Two would mount a Phalanx and a 30mm/LMM mount, the other two would mount a eight cell self defence Mk41 VLS module and a Phalanx. The Sea Ceptors would launch clear of the flight deck and any chance of FOD landing there would be minimised. You would still have full Phalanx coverage as well as nearly 360% coverage by 30mm/LMM mounts. Alternatively you would mount a three cell stand alone ExLS launcher (12 missiles in each) on each of the four sponsons, and delete the 30mm/LMM mounts.

Regardless of the above, our carriers need a far greater self defence capability then three or four Phalanx and 30mm mounts. The are valuable ships in all senses of the words and their loss would be catastrophic for teh Nation let alone the RN. Adding Sea Ceptor is the obvious choice. the RoKN has Goalkeeper and its replacement as well as RAM, and could even have its proprietary VLS system installed on their planned carrier. We seem to thin a carrier is invulnerable because it has one or two T45 in attendance. Look at the RoKN Destroyers that will be escorting their carrier!

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Our carriers have T45, T23, and allied escorts.

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I think we need to move this to a more appropriate thread, any ideas?

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South Korea Test-Fires Ballistic Missile From New KSS III Submarine
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The ROK Navy completed the final phase of the Korean Submarine Launched Ballistic Missile (K-SLBM) development, by successfully launching the ballistic missile from a 3000t submarine under water. South Korea has now officially become the 8th country in the world that possesses indigenous SLBMs.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... submarine/

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An interesting concept for a Tilt-Rotor UAV from South Korea.

Could be something to look into especially if any real platform was developed and could fold its rotors like the V-22. I could have both greater range and speed compared to a more convention helicopter like VTOL UAV, and could be a good platform for the RN to look at.

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Provided that the wings fold as well! :mrgreen:

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Scimitar54 wrote:Provided that the wings fold as well!
Well i did say like the V-22 Osprey didn't I. :D

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Rotors are Rotors, not Wings! ….. Now if you had said “Rotors AND Wings”. :lol:

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But what if folding the rotors automatically folds the wings as well as in the V-22, then folding the rotors does both. :thumbup:

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now something like this on a MAN 8x8 flat bed for the army

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(HHI) and Babcock International that possesses the top-notch naval defense technologies and directly participated in the development of the British aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth signed a partnership regarding the CVX aircraft carrier project.
The fact that an Asian business daily told us so... a year ago (that's what journos do; they are - most of the time - on the scent and sniff things out before announcements roll out from the print)
- I am only mentioning this as their was a stir as to relying on "such" sources
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xav wrote:Overview of the HHI booth (disclaimer: HHI paid us for this one)

Thx, found that v interesting as projects still at their concept stage got detailed coverage
- like a minideck for UAVs on the carrier so that they will not play havoc with 'real' flight ops

Also the OPV at 81 mtrs, so most cost competitive (at least for building hulls) European country sells their OPVs by meter: a million euros per meter
- was there any indication if the Korean offer will undercut that?
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KF-21 project not going smoothly:


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I’d love to seem them join Tempest project

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Jake1992 wrote: 21 Nov 2021, 12:04 I’d love to seem them join Tempest project

Terrible idea for just about everyone. KF-21 is perfect for South Korea both militarily and industrially. Their partner might be a pain in the ass but this isn't a program problem, it's a money problem.

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Defiance wrote: 21 Nov 2021, 15:41
Jake1992 wrote: 21 Nov 2021, 12:04 I’d love to seem them join Tempest project

Terrible idea for just about everyone. KF-21 is perfect for South Korea both militarily and industrially. Their partner might be a pain in the ass but this isn't a program problem, it's a money problem.
How’s it a terrible idea?

If they joined they’d still get industrially benefits like every partner will get.
They’ll end up with a better aircraft that’ll have a larger order to help bring down initial price along with further development costs and spares.
They’d end up with tech transfer of a more advance fighter that can only be of benefit militarily down the line.

Team tempest gets another wealthy partner to help fund the project and increase orders along with breaking in to the Asian market.

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Jake1992 wrote: 21 Nov 2021, 16:08 How’s it a terrible idea?
If you need a Honda Civic, is a Ford Mustang the better choice because it goes faster?

No. KF-21 does what South Korea needs to do because ...
  • It'll be cheap enough to acquire and operate in quantity to replace the 250+ F-5/F-4 they intend to replace
  • It perfectly satisfies the 'more survivable than an F-16 but cheaper than F-35' design point
  • It utilises and expands the technological skills of the designers/manufacturers/operators they've created since building T-50/FA-50
Tempest fails #1, #2 and probably only satisfies about half of #3.

As for breaking into the export market in Asia, who are you thinking of? The UK has good relations with Japan, Malaysia and Singapore which makes up most of the market in that part of the world. As a related aside it's always been a bit of a puzzler who ROK are going to sell KF-21 to but i'm interested to see what happens, Vietnam or Thailand maybe?

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It will be interesting to see what the KF-21 Mk2 brings regarding enhanced capabilities over the Mk1. It is supposed to have full internal weapons carriage as well has enhanced avionics and sensors. Maybe some of the technologies being developed for TEMPEST could find their way into the Mk2 and that could open the way for a possible purchase of the actual aircraft at a later date. Therefore South Korea could be a valuable partner in the TEMPEST programme in theory.

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One tax fudge later and hey presto:


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South Korea grounds F-35A fleet after belly landing

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2022/01 ... y-landing/
WASHINGTON — South Korea has grounded its fleet of F-35As after one of the aircraft had to conduct an emergency belly landing Tuesday.

Yonhap News Agency in Seoul reported that the F-35 was taking part in a training flight when it experienced issues with its avionics system. It was forced to land on its belly at Seosan Air Base south of Seoul when those problems caused the fighter’s landing gear to malfunction, Yonhap reported, citing officials there.

The pilot was unharmed, Yonhap reported. A fire engine had sprayed a special foam on the runway to keep the jet from sustaining serious damage during the skid.

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Hedging their bets, or a sign of how highly valued our recent carrier experience is?

Either way, good to see.
Babcock has signed an MoU with Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering, one of Korea’s largest shipyards, to collaborate on systems integration programmes for future vessels.

The follows the MoU signing between Babcock and Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) in June 2021 to focus on the South Korean Navy’s CV eXperimental (CVX) future light aircraft carrier programme.

As HHI and Daewoo Shipbuilding are the two major competitors for the CVX programme, Babcock appears to be guaranteed to influence the vessel’s design, bringing its experience designing and manufacturing the UK RN’s Queen Elizabeth-class carriers.
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/nava ... news_promo
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I don't know if this makes the KDX -III batch II the ultimate Aegis warship now that the U.S Navy is decommissioning their Ticonderoga cruisers but is very close on the armaments side of the above class.
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I think this is the most up to date CGI of the future KDX-III Batch II .
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