South Korea

News and discussion threads on defence in other parts of the world.
User avatar
xav
Senior Member
Posts: 1626
Joined: 30 Apr 2015, 22:48

Re: South Korea

Post by xav »

HHI Launches Fourth Daegu-class FFX Batch II frigate for ROK Navy
Image
South Korea's Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) launched ROKS Donghae (FFG-822), the fourth Daegu-class FFX Batch II frigate for the Republic of Korea Navy (ROK Navy). The event took place on April 29 at the HHI shipyard in Ulsan.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -rok-navy/

Lord Jim
Senior Member
Posts: 7314
Joined: 10 Dec 2015, 02:15
United Kingdom

Re: South Korea

Post by Lord Jim »

South Korea seems to be moving full steam ahead with the KF-X programme, and it seems to be developing into a very useful and potent platform, like a smaller brother to the F-22 with the F-35 as a half sister.
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... r-aircraft

User avatar
ArmChairCivvy
Senior Member
Posts: 16312
Joined: 05 May 2015, 21:34
United Kingdom

Re: South Korea

Post by ArmChairCivvy »

When you are in the position of being to shop around, we get a whiff of what is considered 'best of breed, per category'
" after MBDA Missile Systems announced in November 2019 that it had been awarded a contract for the integration of its Meteor beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) with the KF-X.
[...]
Also set for integration is the IRIS-T short-range air-to-air missile (SRAAM) by Germany’s Diehl Defence, with a contract expected to be signed in the near future."
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)

User avatar
xav
Senior Member
Posts: 1626
Joined: 30 Apr 2015, 22:48

Re: South Korea

Post by xav »

ROK Navy’s LPX-II Will Be An F-35B Light Aircraft Carrier – Not An LHD
Image
South Korea’s 2021-2025 defense blueprint which was revealed yesterday provides some fresh details on the plans to develop an aircraft carrier capability for the Republic of Korea (RoK) Navy: The LPX-II project will be a dedicated light aircraft carrier for F-35B, it will not be an amphibious assault ship.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ot-an-lhd/

seaspear
Senior Member
Posts: 1779
Joined: 30 Apr 2015, 20:16
Australia

Re: South Korea

Post by seaspear »

It would be no coincidence that this carrier is designed to have a similar capability to the Japanese Izumo carrier , both of these countries are in territorial contention at sea which could have aircraft from these carriers potentially facing off.

Lord Jim
Senior Member
Posts: 7314
Joined: 10 Dec 2015, 02:15
United Kingdom

Re: South Korea

Post by Lord Jim »

Though the shadow of China will probably see both nations Light Carrier Strike Groups operating together, to counter Chinese activity and assuring freedom of navigation which is vital to both nations. Both of the LCSGs will have capabilities that equal if not surpass those of the first two Chinese CSGs.

seaspear
Senior Member
Posts: 1779
Joined: 30 Apr 2015, 20:16
Australia

Re: South Korea

Post by seaspear »

You would hope that would happen but I can find no sign of reconciliation or discussion from this incident
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japa ... SKCN1OK11O

abc123
Senior Member
Posts: 2900
Joined: 10 May 2015, 18:15
United Kingdom

Re: South Korea

Post by abc123 »

seaspear wrote:It would be no coincidence that this carrier is designed to have a similar capability to the Japanese Izumo carrier , both of these countries are in territorial contention at sea which could have aircraft from these carriers potentially facing off.
Yeah, I also thnk this SK carrier is more because of Japan than because of China...
Fortune favors brave sir, said Carrot cheerfully.
What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
Oh, noone's ever heard of Fortune favoring them, sir.
According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…

User avatar
ArmChairCivvy
Senior Member
Posts: 16312
Joined: 05 May 2015, 21:34
United Kingdom

Re: South Korea

Post by ArmChairCivvy »

Lord Jim wrote: Both of the LCSGs will have capabilities that equal if not surpass those of the first two Chinese CSGs.
As for the ROK light carrier, the hull will be based on Dokdo, but regardless they seem to take having sovereign technologies - which btw is not mutually exclusive with tech transfer/ design assistance - rather seriously as @navalnews had picked up this from the S. Korean DAPA
"While South Korea is seeking foreign assistance with the LPX-II, the future aircraft carrier will still feature a great deal of Korean technologies: During a meeting held today, military and scientists reviewed plans for technologies development for this US$1.7 billion project, the country’s Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) said."
- would sort of point to an intention of having more than a one-off

So many renders of the design in circulation that it might (?) be too early to tell whether we will see 'twin towers' popping up again.
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)

User avatar
xav
Senior Member
Posts: 1626
Joined: 30 Apr 2015, 22:48

Re: South Korea

Post by xav »

South Korea Selects MH-60R Helicopter For ROK Navy
South Korea’s Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) today issued a statement announcing that it has selected Sikorsky's MH-60R Seahawk maritime helicopter for the ROK Navy's MOH Batch 2 requirement.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -rok-navy/

User avatar
xav
Senior Member
Posts: 1626
Joined: 30 Apr 2015, 22:48

Re: South Korea

Post by xav »

ROK Navy Commissions Second Daegu-Class FFX Batch II Frigate
Image
The Republic of Korea (ROK) Navy today commissioned its second Daegu-class FFX Batch II frigate. ROKS Gyeongnam was built by local shipbuilder Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) and launched on 21 June 2019.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... i-frigate/


The design has changed... and you can clearly see the influence from Babcock now... 8-)

South Korea Officially Starts LPX-II Aircraft Carrier Program
Image
On 30 December 2020, details for South Korea's LPX-II light aircraft carrier were finalized and the necessary budget was officially allocated in the 2020~2024 Mid-Term Defense Plan (국방중기계획).

The information which was first reported by local media JoongAng Ilbo means that after about a year of preliminary planning and debate, the program is now officially underway. This ship is expected to enter service with the Republic of Korea (ROK) Navy in 2030.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... r-program/

Lord Jim
Senior Member
Posts: 7314
Joined: 10 Dec 2015, 02:15
United Kingdom

Re: South Korea

Post by Lord Jim »

Again no "Ski Jump" even though its benefits are well known.

serge750
Senior Member
Posts: 1068
Joined: 30 Apr 2015, 18:34
United Kingdom

Re: South Korea

Post by serge750 »

I do like both lifts on one side though, always struck me as strange on the american LPA that they had a lift on either side.

Yes a bit strange not having a ski-jump, perhaps they do not want to provoke the chinese as they may see its only purpose is as a strike carrier?

IMO an intergrated ski-jump bow like the russian+chinese carrier looks so cool, but does omit a few parking spots, still think it would of been a good feature on the QEC if they are going to be battling north atlantic weather...

User avatar
xav
Senior Member
Posts: 1626
Joined: 30 Apr 2015, 22:48

Re: South Korea

Post by xav »

Pretty long article on South Korea's LPX-II project with video and (HD) pictures...

RoK Navy Issues New Images Of LPX-II As It Tries To Gain Public Support For Aircraft Carrier Program
Image
On 4 February 2021, the Republic of Korea (RoK) Navy held a seminar at the Chungnam National University to actively promote the LPX-II Light Aircraft Carrier program to South Korea's public.
...
The theme of the seminar, broadcast live on YouTube, was officially dubbed “The core strategic asset of national security, the necessity of light aircraft carriers” . Eight new images showing the LPX-II from various angles (see the gallery below), several infographics and an artist impression of the future “ROK Navy Carrier Strike Group composition” were unveiled.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... r-program/


User avatar
ArmChairCivvy
Senior Member
Posts: 16312
Joined: 05 May 2015, 21:34
United Kingdom

Re: South Korea

Post by ArmChairCivvy »

Buying more Dokdos, for the same money, might be an idea?
- how many more might that be?
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)

Lord Jim
Senior Member
Posts: 7314
Joined: 10 Dec 2015, 02:15
United Kingdom

Re: South Korea

Post by Lord Jim »

Such a Carrier Groups would be the most powerful in South East Asia bar that of the USN force based in Japan. Building more Dokdos but modifies like the USN's America class without a well deck would be an alternative, but I think national pride as well as the desired size of embarked aviation wing may be factors pointing to a new design.

User avatar
ArmChairCivvy
Senior Member
Posts: 16312
Joined: 05 May 2015, 21:34
United Kingdom

Re: South Korea

Post by ArmChairCivvy »

Lord Jim wrote: I think national pride
Even Dokdo has a hint in the name, what it is meant for... the disputed islands have another name in Japanese

ROK would do well to focus on defence (a v local threat; accept THAAD protection, for starters) and not plan on thinking carrier strike groups wide and far
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)

Lord Jim
Senior Member
Posts: 7314
Joined: 10 Dec 2015, 02:15
United Kingdom

Re: South Korea

Post by Lord Jim »

The area of sea they need to defend to keep sea lanes open to forces arriving from Japan etc is getting larger all the time, and there is a need to contest the control China will be able to exert with its CSGs which are not aimed at the USN but other smaller regional players.

So no we shouldn't see a RoKN CSG operating in the Persian Gulf, but ranging around the South China and Yellow sea certainly.

Scimitar54
Senior Member
Posts: 1701
Joined: 13 Jul 2015, 05:10
United Kingdom

Re: South Korea

Post by Scimitar54 »

Beyond SC Sea and Yellow Sea as well, AS AND WHEN NECESSARY. If you do not possess a capability, then even if the need does arise you will not be able to respond to that need. HMG and HMO also need to take note.

SW1
Senior Member
Posts: 5657
Joined: 27 Aug 2018, 19:12
United Kingdom

Re: South Korea

Post by SW1 »


Defiance
Donator
Posts: 870
Joined: 07 Oct 2015, 20:52
United Kingdom

Re: South Korea

Post by Defiance »

Couple more links for info

https://www.defensenews.com/industry/te ... ghter-jet/
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... us-fighter

Pretty little thing really, it'll be interesting to see where it goes

User avatar
ArmChairCivvy
Senior Member
Posts: 16312
Joined: 05 May 2015, 21:34
United Kingdom

Re: South Korea

Post by ArmChairCivvy »

Defiance wrote:Pretty little thing really,
Agree.
And this is the president that was opposed to having US Thaad deployed against missile threat:
"the KF-21 Boramae, was showcased during a rollout ceremony at the headquarters of KAI in Sacheon, about 440 kilometers south of Seoul.

We’ve got our own supersonic fighter jet finally,” President Moon Jae-in said "

Those will be the exact words of a certain Mr. Erdogan... if they ever get that far.
- they did get a superb MBT by buying the 'difficult bits' for it from Korea; will 'history' repeat itself?
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)

SW1
Senior Member
Posts: 5657
Joined: 27 Aug 2018, 19:12
United Kingdom

Re: South Korea

Post by SW1 »

South Korea have taken a leaf out of Sweden’s book with both the KUH helicopter and the KF fighter. Buy in the sub systems you need get the expertise were you need it but design and integrate the overall product. Well done to them.

We as a country have a significantly bigger aerospace expertise base and yet we keep being told we can’t do it.

User avatar
ArmChairCivvy
Senior Member
Posts: 16312
Joined: 05 May 2015, 21:34
United Kingdom

Re: South Korea

Post by ArmChairCivvy »

SW1 wrote:We as a country have a significantly bigger aerospace expertise base and yet we keep being told we can’t do it.
That is true, but there is a different focus for that (expanding) base in S. Korea
Military- directed R&D in bns to the comma and millions to the decimal point, in 2017

United States$55,441.0
South Korea3,377.3
United Kingdom2,379.4


Germany1,530.2
France1,431.1
Turkey1,350.9
Japan1,199.1


Poland379.2
Australia358.7
Canada183.1
Other OECD Countries675.5

So Germany, France and Australia put together :shock:
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)

serge750
Senior Member
Posts: 1068
Joined: 30 Apr 2015, 18:34
United Kingdom

Re: South Korea

Post by serge750 »

Yes well done S korea !! Will be great to see the next version with a internal weapons bay, will make it look a lot cleaner,

I suspect with the UK tempest project they will be aiming for a gold plated plane to compete with the best, so will be expensive to buy & run, where as the KF21 seems to be more like a non stealhy F35 - Silver plated, but i can see a lot of interest if the running cost are a lot lower than the f35

Post Reply