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Israeli PM was recently in Moscow and it was less than clear what the main topic was; potentially deconflicting Israeli strikes with the Russians. Syria engaged Israeli planes with SAMs and Israel , in turn , shot one of those missiles down with its Arrow system, with launchers on the home soil.

"Assaf Orion, senior research fellow at Israel's Institute for National Security Studies, said Syria's response was a "significant" shift.

Until now, he said, when Israel attacked Hizbullah convoys in the country, it "usually went without a response or with an insignificant response from the Syrian side."

"(With this attack) the Syrian regime is trying to tell Israel it can't stand it anymore and those actions will not be free of charge."

President Bashar Assad's position has been strengthened in recent months with his forces reclaiming the whole of Syria's second city Aleppo, as well as enjoying continuing Russian support.

Orion said the Syrian leader was feeling emboldened.

"Assad is not feeling he is looking down a gun barrel so his future is now more guaranteed than it was in the past."

"He is saying: 'Don’t push me. I am not as weak as I used to be."["]
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I will put this one here, awaiting news from Poland (it was believed they want to economise on the warhead, not on the whole missile... if this is true, no wonder the negotiations have been tricky):

A deal Poland is expected to sign with the United States to buy the Patriot missile system includes interceptor missiles from Israel's David Sling system.



From:Ynetnews



The deal with US firm Raytheon, worth up to $7.6 billion, will see Poland buy eight Patriot missile defense systems by the end of the year.


Poland's Defense Minister Antoni Macierewicz announced the deal on Thursday morning, during US President Donald Trump's visit to Warsaw.

"A memorandum was signed tonight that the US government has agreed to sell Poland Patriot missiles in the most modern configuration," Macierewicz said in a news conference broadcast on public television on Thursday morning.


The deal is expected to be finalized in November of this year.


Poland demanded the Israeli interceptor missile, which was developed with Raytheon and is marketed in the world under the name "SkyCeptor," because of its better performance compared to the American Patriot interceptor and its considerably lower price, which stands at only 10 percent of the price of the American counterpart—$450,000 compared to $4.5 million -END-

Now we know why we have Seaceptor, but no Landceptor...
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Namer gets a turret:
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Stick s couple of Spike LR is this and you have probably the best IFV in the world.

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This http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40824750 turning to state's witness, under a plea bargain
seems to be on the go in many countries right now.
- though Michael Flynn notably did not get one

"Mr Netanyahu has repeatedly described the investigations as a witch-hunt stirred up by political opponents.

Mr Harow, a former head of American friends of Likud (Mr Netanyahu's party), was the prime minister's chief of staff from 2009-10, and from 2013-15. "

Of "defence importance" is that Bibi had to let the "extremists" onto the defence portfolio just to grab the power himself (who then immediately forced out a very popular Chief of Staff). If Netanyahu goes, there is a chance of this process unwinding and the Golan becoming slightly less of a tinder box.
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Interesting development though not surprising, Israel has developed a 7.62x51 version of the Tavor. See Jane's headlines for details.

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President Trump statement on decision to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital


Israeli PM Netanyahu responds to President Trump's Jerusalem announcement

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TKMS Cut 1st Steel of First Israeli Navy Saar 6 Corvette
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The steel cutting ceremony for the first Saar 6 (Sa'ar 6) corvette ordered by Israel at the ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) shipyard in Kiel, Germany on February 7, 2018. The low key ceremony (no media representatives were admitted) took place in presence of the chief of the Israeli Navy, Admiral Eli Sharvit, and German Navy inspector Vice-admiral Andreas Krause.
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... vette.html

Huge amount of firepower in a tiny hull... not sure about the seakeeping however

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The C-Dome is interesting. Pretty good platform for its role which is basically eastern Med and Red Sea so sea keeping shoul dbe fine.

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Overview of RAFAEL naval defense solutions at Euronaval

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Thx xav,

I note Spike NLOS on force protection boats (could be harbour protection, too). When not too busy with any threats to the flanks of a landing zone, you can do pin-prick accuracy shore bombardment up to 20+ km inland
- a nice addition, as our Wildcats do not have any fitted... they can be spotters, for targets, though
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Better yet stick half a dozen on a CB-90 to provide fire support to a raiding party.

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Lord Jim wrote:Better yet stick half a dozen on a CB-90 to provide fire support to a raiding party.
CB90s never received the means for fire support, as in
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/im ... rowxp4.jpg
whereas those Israeli thingies supposedly have a good endurance (no one on board to feed, or needing a toilet) and can be used as carry platforms when it comes to effects on land - with 'stuff' that has been loaded onto them, anyway, for their primary tasking
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I just hope the "Bad Guys" don't get a similar idea and we end up on the receiving end of a swarm attack made up of look a like drones with similar heavy armament.

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The German "guilt" and gifting of subs to Israel has a new (?) dimension, according to the New York Times:
"By David M. Halbfinger

Nov. 8, 2018

JERUSALEM — The Israeli police on Thursday recommended the indictment of one of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s closest confidants and three others from his inner circle in a sprawling bribery case involving the multibillion-dollar purchase of submarines and missile boats from Germany.

Mr. Netanyahu was not a suspect in the naval-acquisition scandal, which has been called Case 3000, and in fact he was cleared months ago, though he was questioned. The police have recommended criminal bribery, fraud and breach of trust charges against Mr. Netanyahu in two other corruption investigations.

The police said they had sufficient evidence to charge David Shimron, a second cousin of Mr. Netanyahu’s as well as his personal lawyer, with bribery and money laundering.

Mr. Shimron, they said, had exploited his “status and closeness to the prime minister” to promote the submarine purchase on behalf of Michael Ganor, an Israeli agent working for ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems, the shipyard that build the vessels."
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OK, Benjamin Netanyahu called an early election, but an article appeared in today's [in Hebrew] newspapers issue, that will make it more difficult for him to be able to satisfy both his nationalist base and the U.S. president.

Namely, the dividing of Jerusalem in three, not just two, with an idea of putting an area "under international control" that harks back to the 1947 U.N. partition plan's notion of Jerusalem's standing.
- rumour, of what allegedly is the "peace plan"... that has been long in making
- were there such a "rabbit" to pull out of the hat, then that could explain this mysterious "Syria move" = loadsa peace, suddenly :?: breaking out
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Just within the ruling party the primaries (getting a list for the GE ready) looks like the wagon train forming a defensive circle - not to mention some of the military actions that are made to look like a PR campaign:

"The prime minister’s attitude toward potential Likud rivals has over the years led to an exodus from the party of some of his most prominent possible successors. And perhaps due to the fear of creating potential challengers, Netanyahu has forgone his former practice of appointing the honorary positions of deputy prime minister and vice prime minister. He has also kept for himself the positions of foreign minister and, in recent months, defense minister."

https://www.timesofisrael.com/fierce-li ... ifications
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:= loadsa peace, suddenly breaking out
As the saying goes... "All pigs fed and ready to fly".

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Did not quite get that one (pink elephants in the drink? As in: instead of ice cubes), but in this piece
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-condu ... ifications
the operative word is "topographic"

Using another aged expression: go figure 8-)
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Well Hisbollocks will probably do their usual thing of operating out of areas protected by human shields and the Israelis will be condemned by the usual sources for attacking civilian targets and so on. In any future conflict however successful Israel is militarily they will lose the PR battle.

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swoop wrote:
ArmChairCivvy wrote:= loadsa peace, suddenly breaking out
As the saying goes... "All pigs fed and ready to fly".
Well, in the Warsaw conference the number of Arab countries that 'officially' talk to Israel went up by 400%
- we know, as our Hunt dropped by, to do the count (and then left?)
- whether the conference was 'halal'... we'll probably only hear through a parliamentary question
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a 4th AR family (all in production) from the same manufacturer. Looks interesting but some how they ended up with the same name as used for their new, lighter tank?
" The new Carmel is now ready for production, all four barrels being available. Looking forward, no plan has been yet established for the development of the Carmel in different calibres, although a version in .300 BLK should be an obvious follow-up, considering the comparable energy of this ammunition with that of the 5.56 mm NATO round. “We definitely intend to develop a family of assault rifles starting with the current Carmel,” Ronen Hamudot tells EDR On-Line, “and we are also looking at the 6.8 mm Remington SPC for the 5.56 mm-based weapon, while for the bigger calibre, beside the 7.62×51 mm we are also considering the 6.5×55 Creedmor as an option.”
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Any links for the above?

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Within the
ArmChairCivvy wrote:EDR On-Line
it is found here:
https://www.edrmagazine.eu/iwi-carmel-a ... rom-israel
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Thanks, very interesting. Now remind me how many small arms companies are based in the UK?

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