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https://www.defensenews.com/global/mide ... se-confab/

For example, Rafael announced its new Spike NLOS 6th-generation precision missile on June 9. Rafael’s Spike family is used by 39 countries. In Europe it is sold under the name Eurospike, a joint venture between Rafael, Diehl Defence GmbH and Rheinmetall Electronics.

Rafael says its newest variant has improved standoff range (up to 50km), can be launched in a salvo of up to four missiles and can be fired from one platform, such as a helicopter, and handed off for guidance to operators on the ground. It incorporates image-matching abilities, according to the manufacturer

A partnership of Israel’s Uvision and Rheinmetall also appears to be a nod to the Ukraine conflict because they will present an integration of the UVision loitering munitions systems into “next-generation manned and unmanned infantry fighting vehicles.”

These weapons will provide “frontline forces with a new independent ability to locate, track and accurately eliminate heavily-armored targets from long ranges, in challenging battlefield conditions,” UVision said in a statement.

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Many new systems have achieved IOC aboard the new Sa'ar 6...

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Israel carried out a clandestine drone strike targeting a defense compound in Iran, as the U.S. and Israel look for new ways to contain Tehran’s nuclear and military ambitions, according to U.S. officials and people familiar with the operation.

Iranian officials said that the country had thwarted an attempted attack by three small quadcopters targeting a munitions factory in the city of Isfahan, right next to a site belonging to the Iran Space Research Center, which has been sanctioned by the U.S. for its work on Iran’s ballistic-missile program.

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Just this once I would not say it is a given that it actually was Israel behind this. The target seems to have been a factory for producing ballistic missiles and so this could have been a warning to Iran not to supply them to Russia.


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Good overview of the many systems aboard Sa'ar 6 corvettes


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unbelievable events in Israel today even for a country that lives daily with the threat of terror this will of been a terrible shock. There equivalent of 9/11. Hopefully the Israelis will get all the support required to hunt down the terrorists involved.
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SW1 wrote: 07 Oct 2023, 21:26 unbelievable events in Israel today even for a country that lives daily with the threat of terror this will of been a terrible shock. There equivalent of 9/11. Hopefully the Israelis will get all the support required to hunt down the terrorists involved.
Ho dear you need to be careful here lets not forget that Israel as a state marks one of the biggest ethnic cleansing projects the world has seen in the years after WW2

And when using the word terrorist lets also remember the British classed all Israels leaders for the first 50 years as terrorists wanted for killing British troops and local women and children
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Tempest414 wrote: 08 Oct 2023, 11:14
SW1 wrote: 07 Oct 2023, 21:26 unbelievable events in Israel today even for a country that lives daily with the threat of terror this will of been a terrible shock. There equivalent of 9/11. Hopefully the Israelis will get all the support required to hunt down the terrorists involved.
Ho dear you need to be careful here lets not forget that Israel as a state marks one of the biggest ethnic cleansing projects the world has seen in the years after WW2

And when using the word terrorist lets also remember the British classed all Israels leaders for the first 50 years as terrorists wanted for killing British troops and local women and children
I don’t need to be careful at all, I described exactly what it is. Hamas is a prescribed terrorist organisation but the uk government so perfectly happy to call them terrorist and there support by all the other terrorist organisations across the world including those organisations in the uk.
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SW1 wrote: 08 Oct 2023, 11:38
Tempest414 wrote: 08 Oct 2023, 11:14
SW1 wrote: 07 Oct 2023, 21:26 unbelievable events in Israel today even for a country that lives daily with the threat of terror this will of been a terrible shock. There equivalent of 9/11. Hopefully the Israelis will get all the support required to hunt down the terrorists involved.
Ho dear you need to be careful here lets not forget that Israel as a state marks one of the biggest ethnic cleansing projects the world has seen in the years after WW2

And when using the word terrorist lets also remember the British classed all Israels leaders for the first 50 years as terrorists wanted for killing British troops and local women and children
I don’t need to be careful at all, I described exactly what it is. Hamas is a prescribed terrorist organisation but the uk government so perfectly happy to call them terrorist and there support by all the other terrorist organisations across the world including those organisations in the uk.
Glad to see you looking at this in today's light maybe in 60 years time they will be seen in the same way as Israel's terrorist of 60 years ago this hole region is fucked up and the only time things will change is when Palestine is given full UN status with full boarders over seen by UN troops until then Israel will carry on with it ethnic cleansing and land grab programs
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Tempest414 wrote: 08 Oct 2023, 12:43
SW1 wrote: 08 Oct 2023, 11:38
Tempest414 wrote: 08 Oct 2023, 11:14
SW1 wrote: 07 Oct 2023, 21:26 unbelievable events in Israel today even for a country that lives daily with the threat of terror this will of been a terrible shock. There equivalent of 9/11. Hopefully the Israelis will get all the support required to hunt down the terrorists involved.
Ho dear you need to be careful here lets not forget that Israel as a state marks one of the biggest ethnic cleansing projects the world has seen in the years after WW2

And when using the word terrorist lets also remember the British classed all Israels leaders for the first 50 years as terrorists wanted for killing British troops and local women and children
I don’t need to be careful at all, I described exactly what it is. Hamas is a prescribed terrorist organisation but the uk government so perfectly happy to call them terrorist and there support by all the other terrorist organisations across the world including those organisations in the uk.
Glad to see you looking at this in today's light maybe in 60 years time they will be seen in the same way as Israel's terrorist of 60 years ago this hole region is fucked up and the only time things will change is when Palestine is given full UN status with full boarders over seen by UN troops until then Israel will carry on with it ethnic cleansing and land grab programs
No it’s backing the liberal democracy Israel not the Iranian backed terrorist organisation that committed the atrocities.
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SW1 wrote: 08 Oct 2023, 13:41
Tempest414 wrote: 08 Oct 2023, 12:43
SW1 wrote: 08 Oct 2023, 11:38
Tempest414 wrote: 08 Oct 2023, 11:14
SW1 wrote: 07 Oct 2023, 21:26 unbelievable events in Israel today even for a country that lives daily with the threat of terror this will of been a terrible shock. There equivalent of 9/11. Hopefully the Israelis will get all the support required to hunt down the terrorists involved.
Ho dear you need to be careful here lets not forget that Israel as a state marks one of the biggest ethnic cleansing projects the world has seen in the years after WW2

And when using the word terrorist lets also remember the British classed all Israels leaders for the first 50 years as terrorists wanted for killing British troops and local women and children
I don’t need to be careful at all, I described exactly what it is. Hamas is a prescribed terrorist organisation but the uk government so perfectly happy to call them terrorist and there support by all the other terrorist organisations across the world including those organisations in the uk.
Glad to see you looking at this in today's light maybe in 60 years time they will be seen in the same way as Israel's terrorist of 60 years ago this hole region is fucked up and the only time things will change is when Palestine is given full UN status with full boarders over seen by UN troops until then Israel will carry on with it ethnic cleansing and land grab programs
No it’s backing the liberal democracy Israel not the Iranian backed terrorist organisation that committed the atrocities.
So you think it is ok to allow ethnic cleansing and land grabbing on mass scale to carry on unchecked by Israel

No as I say make Palestine a full member of the UN define its Boarders and place UN troops there to stop the illegal grabbing of land and both sides from mass acts blood shed it is the only way

Also not even the people of Israel think it is a Liberal democracy anymore now the right wing head banger's are trying to rip away rights
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Tempest414 wrote: 08 Oct 2023, 12:43
SW1 wrote: 08 Oct 2023, 11:38
Tempest414 wrote: 08 Oct 2023, 11:14
SW1 wrote: 07 Oct 2023, 21:26 unbelievable events in Israel today even for a country that lives daily with the threat of terror this will of been a terrible shock. There equivalent of 9/11. Hopefully the Israelis will get all the support required to hunt down the terrorists involved.
Ho dear you need to be careful here lets not forget that Israel as a state marks one of the biggest ethnic cleansing projects the world has seen in the years after WW2

And when using the word terrorist lets also remember the British classed all Israels leaders for the first 50 years as terrorists wanted for killing British troops and local women and children
I don’t need to be careful at all, I described exactly what it is. Hamas is a prescribed terrorist organisation but the uk government so perfectly happy to call them terrorist and there support by all the other terrorist organisations across the world including those organisations in the uk.
Glad to see you looking at this in today's light maybe in 60 years time they will be seen in the same way as Israel's terrorist of 60 years ago this hole region is fucked up and the only time things will change is when Palestine is given full UN status with full boarders over seen by UN troops until then Israel will carry on with it ethnic cleansing and land grab programs
"Palestine" was split into two by British in 1946, when granted Independence.Two-thirds of Palestine became Kingdom of Jordan and one third became the state of Israel.

The atrocities in Israel with Hamas targeting clearly civilian targets e.g. hundreds of people killed at the music festival.

However beforehand Israel had been surprisingly antagonistic with the way they pushed ahead with the illegal establishment of new Israeli villages in the West Bank with Netanyahu favouring the extreme right wing racist small minority parties upon which his coalition depended.

I despise Hamas, and I condem these terrorist attacks on civilians, and I will continue to be critical of their continued use of terrorist tactics, but Israel have not been blameless over their recent actions......

i.e. my personal opinion is there is some fault on both sides and it would be naicr

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Hamas vs Israel

A classic example of the effectiveness of firepower defeating defence, the Hamas attack with thousands of cheap rockets a significant number of them penetrated the Israeli Iron Dome system, inflicting extensive damage and casualties, Israel had 10 Iron Dome batteries and an estimated 1,000 Tamir missiles available but they were overwhelmed.

It’s a major dilemma, article quotes $60,000 per Tamir missile, which think too low, maybe three times as expensive (the US Marines paid $186,000 per misssile) while the simple Hamas rockets only approx. $600 (Israel said Hamas using the pipes from the water system).

https://theconversation.com/israels-iro ... -it-215512

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NickC wrote: 18 Oct 2023, 14:18 Israel said Hamas using the pipes from the water system
Hamas made a slick PR video showing themselves digging up the water pipes that the UN had just installed and converting them into rockets.
They claim to have manufactured around 7000 rockets in total, though some put it even higher. One model is claimed to have a range in excess of 185km
One of them malfunctioned last night and landed in the car park of a hospital, setting fire to c. 14 vehicles and some trees, as well as causing minor blast damage to the hospital.
Hamas claimed that the hospital was destroyed and 500 killed "by Israeli bombing", but the Al Jazeera live video stream clearly shows the missile failing during boost with 2 explosions on the ground. one next to the hospital. Genuine casualties are unknown
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Shows launch of Iron Dome Tamir missile in Tel AViv and then doing a u turn to impact on the ground, not known if killed or injured anyone.


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That happened with a Patriot during the Gulf War. Fired too late & it tracked the incoming Scud into the ground was the official line IIRC. They were having problems with the real-time clock drifting out of sync as well, which was causing problems with calculating the optimum intercept point accurately
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Caribbean wrote: 06 Nov 2023, 17:02 That happened with a Patriot during the Gulf War. Fired too late & it tracked the incoming Scud into the ground was the official line IIRC. They were having problems with the real-time clock drifting out of sync as well, which was causing problems with calculating the optimum intercept point accurately
The British Army Sky Sabre uses the Rafael BMC as Iron Dome so hoping that if problem is as you speculate that Rafael sorts out the real-time clock so Army don't get the same result on firing the Land Ceptor CAMM missiles.

PS The Saudi's had the same problem with Patriots fired at the Iranian Scud missiles launched by the Houthis from Yemen and similarly with the Ukrainians some Patriots fired at the Russian missiles this year mis-fired.


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Re: the clock sync issue - I phrased that poorly, the issue was the software clock drifting out of sync with the real-time (hardware) clock. Not by much, but sufficient for the software to miscalculate trajectories & intercept points by as much as many metres.

The issue only became apparent (IIRC) after the battery had been powered up for prolonged periods. The workaround was to regularly re-boot the software, which is not ideal in combat situations.

I believe the issue was fixed relatively quickly, but the main point is that the fault only became apparent in "uncommon" conditions
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For the first time the Arrow 3 System (Germany recently placed a near 4 billion Euro contract in September for Arrow 3 System) intercepted a SRBM over the Red Sea and a F-35 shot down a cruise missile, presuming Iranian missiles fired by the Houthis from Yemen, a done also alleged to be fired from Yemen hit a school in Eliat

Israel estimates 9,500 rockets have been fired from Gaza by Hamas and Iron Dome intercepted 2,000, no mention made of the number of leakers that were successful as the sheer numbers overwhelmed Iron Dome Systems, US is leasing back the two Iron Dome Systems to Israel they purchased.

The Houthis have shot down a US (reconnaissance?) drone that they had launched presuming in response to the reported 4 cruise missiles and 15 drones the Burke USS Carney shot down in Red Sea just short of the Suez canal October 18, with its SM-2s and 5" gun

Iranian backed militias in Iraq and Syria have also targeted US bases, 45 personnel were injured in the 40 attacks on Oct. 17 and 18, in response USAF has launched F-15 airstrikes in eastern Syria on Oct 27 and again Nov 9.

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/11/arr ... intercept/

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