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Apparently announced in Spain earlier in the summer.

Airbus ES announces a new advanced trainer, with some links to the cancelled EADS Mako/HEAT from back in the late 1990s.
Airbus has presented to a small number of media the Airbus Flexible Jet Trainer, AFJT , the offer for the Air Force to replace its CASA C-101 and CASA / Northrop F-5 employees in the last phases of the training of the new pilots.
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One aspect that is striking with the images released is the relative resemblance to the MAKO, the proposal that EADS , now part of Airbus, made for an advanced trainer and light attack aircraft in the 1990s .
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The MAKO, which was eventually canceled , had low visibility characteristics, which it had partly inherited from the MBB Lampyridae , a program, also canceled from an interceptor for the German Air Force that was studied in the 1980s.

The AFJT does not need these stealth characteristics, and has a fuselage with rounded lines instead of angular . But in the rest it has a certain air. The wings of both are similar in location, midway up the fuselage, and have a similar geometry . Those of the AJFT with a little greater scope. The MAKO was 8.25 meters from top to bottom and the AFJT is estimated to be about 10 meters. The MAKO was supposed to carry missiles on flat-tipped rails, forcing one end with more rope.
Sounds like it is very much a Spanish project, with a Spanish suppliers being given priority.

A very crowded Western market place already, with the:

Leonardo M345 & M346 / KAI T-50 / BAE Hawk (still clinging on), and the Boeing T-7A on its way.

Will be interesting to see if the Armée de l'Air takes an interest or if they pursue something with a Dassault badge...

https://fly-news.es/aviacion-comercial/ ... -del-aire/

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Hi, I’m looking for informations about the M41/60E, from what I read it should be a Spanish M41 Tank modified with a 60mm gun, do you have any more j formation about this?

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JFoulke wrote: Spanish M41 Tank modified with a 60mm gun
The IMI-OTO**) 60 mm gun went onto Bulldogs for Chile and Shermans for Ecuador, but as far as know Spain did not tinker with it
- they had other ideas for killing (the heavier) tanks, in Europe, with their light Bulldogs. It could be called a mountain tank ( a category that as disappeared in the West; check out all the updates that Norway did to theirs)
"Spanish M41
The Spanish Army has [not dated] 127 M41 lights tanks in service and approximately 120 in reserve. Of these, 100 may be converted to anti-tank use. These will be equipped with either the Euromissile turret with four high subsonic optically tracked (HOT) anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM) in the ready-to-launch position or the improved tube-launched, optically tracked, wire-guided missile (TOW)."

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**) I think OTO dropped out of the project at the prototype phase. so all the 'commercial action' was by the Israelis
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Airbus has integrated Turkish TEBER Laser Guidance kit for Mk-82 bombs on an Airbus owned C295.

Together with TEBER, UMTAS and Cirit missiles of Roketsan are to be integrated to the aircraft.

TEBER is also speculated to be used in Nagorno Karabakh conflict, with retrofit version for Su25 and Mig29 aircrafts.

TEBER is developed for Turkey's fight against PKK, which requires large amounts of guided ammunition, and Turkish need for embargo-free supply chain.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... ittershare

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MammaLiTurchi wrote:TEBER is developed for Turkey's fight against PKK
And anyone else of Kurdish origin. :lolno:

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Lord Jim wrote:
MammaLiTurchi wrote:TEBER is developed for Turkey's fight against PKK
And anyone else of Kurdish origin. :lolno:
There is no sane reason to kill a human being because of ethnicity, which is not happening in SE Turkey mountains.

PKK just killed 13 people in captivity last week, many of whom were Kurds. Some serving in army.

Western understanding of things "down here" is very shallow and manipulated, as it requires some real experience before making some bold conclusions.

As a side note, one of my cousins had his home rocketed by RPG and had temporary hear loss, thankfully rocket landed on a spot which was seperated by a thick wall from his resting room.

He was neither an army member nor police. He was appointed as vice district manager in SE Turkey. Totally civilian. And he was loved in his duty place.

I do not oversee that things unfolded 80s and 90s could be somewhat defined as "ethnic tension" due to some illegal acts of uncontrolled cliques, however, today's situation has no room for such chaos. Neither within state structure, nor in the mountains...

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Let's leave Spain and go to Libya (the thread); how is it going there?
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Over from queen Elizabeth class ,The only difference being that Germany doesn't have a carrier with fixed wing assets like Spains harriers ,the only solution is the f35b ,so France and Germany can't supply a reasonable alternative for Spain ,the fcas solution will not suffice ,the only other alternative is Spain builds a aircraft carrier like France new carrier and buys the new fighter when built , which Spain can't afford or do without fixed wing fleet aviation

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Spain will now push Harrier to the very end somewhere around 2040 after which it will buy second hand F-35 or go UAV off its LHD

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This article suggests much sooner retirement of the Harrier
https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2016/ ... -s-future/

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May be they will buy the USMC Harriers for spares?
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This article suggests that the U.S.M.C harriers will be retired in the mid-twenties , perhaps Spain could take a punt on those the U.S.M.C have upgraded, though with the hours on the milage likely to be well in excess of ten thousand and with safety and maintenance concerns would have to be incredibly cheap
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Might be buying a whole lot of expenses tbh , throwing good money at an old platform ,think they will still go for the f35b in the end up , unless by some miracle Germany and France decided to build a second Europe carrier and Spain puts it fcas onto that but I very much doubt that ever going to happen ,also don't think Spain wants to give up it's carrier aviation so f35b it is

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The f35b would make sense but France put a block on Germany buying the f35 would those same reasons want them to block Spains purchase of the f35b , Would Spain be better off pulling out of the costs involved of being a development partner in this program and just be a potential customer?

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Given what we sold our Harriers to the USMC they could probably get sufficient airframes, engines and other spares t keep enough aircraft available to maintain the viability of their fixed wing carrier force. There are hundreds of AV-8Bs in storage with airframes with reasonable lives and there are engines and spares to last until well into the 2030s.

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They have just got a replacement two seater at the front end of this year also if the USMC stick to there plan then there will be a lot spears to keep a small fleet going

I am suprized that Brazil have not gone for say 20 AV-8b's to run between now and 2040

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Tempest414 wrote:They have just got a replacement two seater at the front end of this year also if the USMC stick to there plan then there will be a lot spears to keep a small fleet going

I am suprized that Brazil have not gone for say 20 AV-8b's to run between now and 2040

Could X - Ocean operate harriers ?

Really thought they were going for a sea Gripen for a while off the X - Foch !!! but looks like they could not afford the upkeep of the carrier

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Back in the day it was said Ocean could carry Harrier in the transport role but not operate harrier as the RN would like however if Brazil were to operate Harriers more like the USMC then I don't see why not

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Spain orders additional typhoons


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SW1 wrote: 14 Dec 2021, 17:46 Spain orders additional typhoons
Great news for the UK as well, over 35% UK content (usually c45% but with the Hensoldt radar it probably drops a little). This and Quadriga for the Luftwaffe means a fair bit of work for the UK, all we need is the Saudi's to follow up with their 48 additional aircraft.

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Timmymagic wrote: 16 Dec 2021, 12:04
SW1 wrote: 14 Dec 2021, 17:46 Spain orders additional typhoons
Great news for the UK as well, over 35% UK content (usually c45% but with the Hensoldt radar it probably drops a little). This and Quadriga for the Luftwaffe means a fair bit of work for the UK, all we need is the Saudi's to follow up with their 48 additional aircraft.
it would be nice to see another 24 for UK but I guess elephants may fly before then.

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bobp wrote: 16 Dec 2021, 12:30 it would be nice to see another 24 for UK but I guess elephants may fly before then.
Would agree, along with more F35s... I wonder though if any money from selling the Tranche 1 Tiffies goes back into RFA coffers?
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The RAF are welcome to effectively donate to the RN ! :D

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Repulse wrote: 16 Dec 2021, 12:45 I wonder though if any money from selling the Tranche 1 Tiffies goes back into RFA coffers?
There will be as many takers for the UK's Tranche 1 Typhoon as there will be for Austria's, Spain's and Germany's...none.

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Spanish frigate ablaze in rota


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