Javelin Anti-Tank Missile (British Army)

[Lord Jim]

Well I suppose it the warhead is exploding downwards it has a very high chance of detonating the ammunition in almost any Russian Tank due to how their auto loaders as arranged. Cannot be instilling mush confidence in Russian Tank crews either.

[Timmymagic]

The LWCLU also enables Javelin to reach out to 4,000m rather than 2,500m with the original CLU. Hopefully we'll retain the older CLU in formations as well as its still an additional CLU and can be used as a surveillance tool.



From Wiki...

"The new CLU is 70 percent smaller, 40 percent lighter, and has a 50 percent battery life increase. Features of the lightweight CLU are: a long-wave infrared (IR) thermographic camera; a high-definition display with improved resolution; integrated handgrips; a five megapixel color camera; a laser point that can be seen visibly or through IR; a far target locator using GPS, a laser rangefinder, a heading sensor, and modernized electronics. The LWCLU has also demonstrated the ability to fire a FIM-92 Stinger anti-aircraft missile, using its superior optics to identify and destroy small unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs)."

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[Djpowell1984]

I know it is might off the topic.

I think British should look replacement this ATGM with MMP (Akaron - Wrong spelling?*) Or Spike Family

Due NLOS technology; which usefully datalink or Laser designator via UAV or other side force (hill) to suspire strike to tank or other target etc.

Also can use helicopter and boat, vehicle, man portable, even small enough to fit on UAV.

I not sure if Javelin have NLOS ability; suspect not have NLOS that reason; French switch javelin to Akaron. Possible due not have NLOS on javelin.

Therefore my question Is javelin does has NLOS; (I think not have) as I'm Only aware that Javelins does have fire and forget. So can upgrade NLOS on javelin?

[Lord Jim]

I agree with the previous post. Rather then buying more Javelins to replace thise sent to Ukraine, I would place orders for the Spike-LR2, from the Europeans production line and join Germany and Poland as a user. It is applicable to vehicle mounting, where any platform that could mount say a Milan can mount a Spik-LR2 single launchers, though many companies are offering under armour launchers armed with usually two missiles. Give Ukraine more Javelins but retain a number in UK service until replaced by Spike-LR2 and then send the remainder to Ukraine. Work on the next generation Spike-LR is ongoing and this will have full network capabiloity so a missiola could be handed off to a third party during an engagement

[SW1]

I agree with the previous post. Rather then buying more Javelins to replace thise sent to Ukraine, I would place orders for the Spike-LR2, from the Europeans production line and join Germany and Poland as a user. It is applicable to vehicle mounting, where any platform that could mount say a Milan can mount a Spik-LR2 single launchers, though many companies are offering under armour launchers armed with usually two missiles. Give Ukraine more Javelins but retain a number in UK service until replaced by Spike-LR2 and then send the remainder to Ukraine. Work on the next generation Spike-LR is ongoing and this will have full network capabiloity so a missiola could be handed off to a third party during an engagement

There is a lot of institutional knowledge on javelin as it is in service and a lot of kongsberg remote weapons stations arriving which can mount javelin it may seem an odd move to switch horses now when so many other things need attention. Gd to see you back posting LJ.

[Djpowell1984]

I agree with the previous post. Rather then buying more Javelins to replace thise sent to Ukraine, I would place orders for the Spike-LR2, from the Europeans production line and join Germany and Poland as a user. It is applicable to vehicle mounting, where any platform that could mount say a Milan can mount a Spik-LR2 single launchers, though many companies are offering under armour launchers armed with usually two missiles. Give Ukraine more Javelins but retain a number in UK service until replaced by Spike-LR2 and then send the remainder to Ukraine. Work on the next generation Spike-LR is ongoing and this will have full network capabiloity so a missiola could be handed off to a third party during an engagement

Good idea, Slow replacement Javelin with Spike LR2 / Akeron MP either as both seem like similar range and ability.

I doesn’t reliese that British were looking at Spike MR vs Javelin prior 2001; they pick up Javelin in the end.

Lots of other countries (Slovakia and other) move to Spike LR2 and pick this over Javelin, which much more advanced weapon that British use, can use on platform.

NLAW upgrade program + Spike LR2 / NG LR will make British stay ahead of future conflict.

[Tempest414]

For the next step up from Javelin is Hero 120 or Brimstone as said on other threads moving javelin on to the RWS's around the Battalion would free up what is now the AT Platoon to become a Overwatch Platoon with Hero 120 or Brimstone

with this a Mechanised Battalion could have in depth fire power like so

100 to 2000 meters = 12.7 HMG , LW 30mm , 40mm GMG , NLAW , Javelin , 120mm mortar
2000 to 10,000 meters = Javelin , 120mm mortar Hero 120 or Brimstone
10 km to 40 km = Hero 120 or Brimstone

this Battalion could rock up with

200 NLAW , 60+ ready fire Javelin plus 3 reloads , 128 ready fire Brimstone plus 3 reloads

[RunningStrong]

For the next step up from Javelin is Hero 120 or Brimstone as said on other threads moving javelin on to the RWS's around the Battalion would free up what is now the AT Platoon to become a Overwatch Platoon with Hero 120 or Brimstone

with this a Mechanised Battalion could have in depth fire power like so

100 to 2000 meters = 12.7 HMG , LW 30mm , 40mm GMG , NLAW , Javelin , 120mm mortar
2000 to 10,000 meters = Javelin , 120mm mortar Hero 120 or Brimstone
10 km to 40 km = Hero 120 or Brimstone

this Battalion could rock up with

200 NLAW , 60+ ready fire Javelin plus 3 reloads , 128 ready fire Brimstone plus 3 reloads

100% agree.

[Djpowell1984]

For the next step up from Javelin is Hero 120 or Brimstone as said on other threads moving javelin on to the RWS's around the Battalion would free up what is now the AT Platoon to become a Overwatch Platoon with Hero 120 or Brimstone

with this a Mechanised Battalion could have in depth fire power like so

100 to 2000 meters = 12.7 HMG , LW 30mm , 40mm GMG , NLAW , Javelin , 120mm mortar
2000 to 10,000 meters = Javelin , 120mm mortar Hero 120 or Brimstone
10 km to 40 km = Hero 120 or Brimstone

this Battalion could rock up with

200 NLAW , 60+ ready fire Javelin plus 3 reloads , 128 ready fire Brimstone plus 3 reloads

Very good suggestion

I check hero 120 vs switchblade 600 in turn hero 120 better range and loiter time.

I would like see

Anti tank platoon ;
NLAW - urban / CQB
spike LR2 / NG LR (replacement javelin) - Open field / stations remote
Hero 120 - loitering weapon
Brimstone (tri-service) and MBDA Precision land Missile (army and navy) - NLOS rapid reaction support / strike anti-tank or other, structures

.338 MG / 40mm cannon (HE / AP / frag fuse anti UAV ‘ helicopter ‘ missile) / 40mm GL /(60mm or 81mm) mortar / 120mm mortar remote turret

With aerial UAV the stalker for laser targeting also reconnaissance for every platoon with Indago 3 or i forget name of helicopter minture drone

Mallory T-650 supplied reload / wound airlifts / brimstone armed / fury light bomb / torpedo

[dmereifield]

And in future would we need Gernman authorisation to donate or sell our Spike to a 3rd country being invaded by a hostile aggressor?

[sunstersun]

And in future would we need Gernman authorisation to donate or sell our Spike to a 3rd country being invaded by a hostile aggressor?

You'd need the Israeli's who have done a total weapons embargo.

[dmereifield]

And in future would we need Gernman authorisation to donate or sell our Spike to a 3rd country being invaded by a hostile aggressor?

You'd need the Israeli's who have done a total weapons embargo.

Let's give it a miss then. Surprised Uncle Sam hasn't pressured Isreal to do the right thing yet

[Tempest414]

Whether we can or can not sell or pass on a system should not be the main driver in procurement of a system

However if there is not a lot in it between systems the one that gives the best flexibility should win out

As far as the UK is concerned for me we know Javelin it fits on our RWS's we should stick with it as said up thread and look to push the Overwatch Platoon with better range. This could allow us to free up RA Regiments on the 105mm light gun to become HIMARS regts now for me this could be game changing