Irish Defence Forces
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Re: Irish Defence Forces
Not Defence forces but Sad day
Loss of R116 and its Crew
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39264233
Loss of R116 and its Crew
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39264233
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Happy St. Patrick's Day to the real, genuine Irish people born on the island of Ireland who possess Irish passports...
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- Galloglass
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It appears that the Aer Chór will be selecting 4 Pilatus 12 to replace it's aging Cessna fleet. Also a replacement PC9 for the one lost.
http://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/00-def/ ... pectre.pdf
http://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/00-def/ ... pectre.pdf
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Government here is looking into setting up an independent intelligence agency.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/05 ... y-meeting/
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/05 ... y-meeting/
- ArmChairCivvy
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A recruitment vid, but if you actually classify what they do (other than the driving around in heavily armed vehicles) is in most countries done by police SWAT or CG non-compliant boarding and intervention teams.
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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The Ranger wing is the countries military SOF unit, they have a well rounded skill set from MFF,combat diving, CT/HR to CPO etc and the kit to match...there is no direct recruitment to it. They've been at this for close to 40 years as unit now..ArmChairCivvy wrote:A recruitment vid, but if you actually classify what they do (other than the driving around in heavily armed vehicles) is in most countries done by police SWAT or CG non-compliant boarding and intervention teams.
They've rescued hostages in Liberia, been a JSOTF with the NZSAS in East Timor...lots of things over the years..
My point was this is a lot more...kinetic a video then is usual and fits with the announcement the Minister for defence gave when he visited their compound a few days back that their CT/HR role will be bolstered further.
It's an unusually, "these guys may have to be used for something more then peacekeeping one day" kind of message we normally never see here.
BTW we have a national police SIU, the ERU, they've trained quite a lot with various other countries units including your own SCO-19 through the ATLAS network.
Sorry for being long winded...
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Not at all, interesting reading (and they forgot the "join and see the world" dimesion from it).muttbutt wrote:They've rescued hostages in Liberia, been a JSOTF with the NZSAS in East Timor
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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The NS under project AEOLUS is working with various research groups and SMEs to develop an elevated sensor pod, they are currently using a Helikite but the end product will use something else..
Sea trail started yesterday Aboard LE Eithne..
Sea trail started yesterday Aboard LE Eithne..
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Contract signed yesterday for 3 PC-12 NG "Spectres" for ISR....first 2, 2019.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/a ... 21630.html
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/a ... 21630.html
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A surprising proposal for the Irish Defence Forces. Amongst other near term acquisition proposals they list an 'Air Combat Interceptor' in programmes at a pre planning stage (page 13) in the download at the end of the below link:
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/9bd58 ... ment-plan/
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!" - Dr. Strangelove (1964)
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Update on that, we bought an extra one in clean config to be a light transport etc so 4 will be in servicemuttbutt wrote:Contract signed yesterday for 3 PC-12 NG "Spectres" for ISR....first 2, 2019.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/a ... 21630.html
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What's this future ' interceptor'? Leasing Gripens (as the deliveries of the new one to the Swedish AF will start), or taking the Typhoons off the Austrian unenthusiastic hands as they don't seem to be able to support such a small fleet effectively ( a little bit of help from the RAF/ BAE could work wonders)?
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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While I don't doubt the air corps as professional aviators I do hope they've consisted the scale of the endeavour. If it's a QRA force they're after then is not nearly so simple as keeping a pair of squadron aircraft serviceable for when needed. Keeping the crews combat ready and current, managing the stockpiles of air weapons as lifed air carriage hours are used up every time they scramble, providing an air defence C4ISR network etc, etc all takes effort, and as importantly money which Ireland traditionally doesn't spend on its armed forces.
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The whole thing came as a surprise (though it is only in the l-t plan doc, and thus might vanish without a trace)J. Tattersall wrote:importantly money which Ireland traditionally doesn't spend on its armed forces
-I wonder if one of those Bears has been knocking on the door and got the Irish annoyed (as there's nothing they, at the present, can do about it)?
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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At present security of the Irish FIR is de facto outsourced to the RAF. But also what about Irish territorial waters? It must be relatively easy for a Russian SSK/ SSGN to trespass undetected, lay on the seabed and listen into British, French and other NATO assets. Ireland likey wouldn't know of its presence, let alone be able to do anything about it.
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And as a result...should they care?J. Tattersall wrote:Ireland likey wouldn't know of its presence, let alone be able to do anything about it.
Running effective ASW operations for an island as large as Ireland would cost a fortune. Ships, helo's, aircraft, HQ, training pipeline, weapons...you name it. It's not going to happen, not unless they join NATO and can tap into share assets. They seem to have an interest in MCM which would be far more useful for them.
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To be honest it's a wish for some undetermined time in the future...there are 50+ things we need before that in various areas. There does seem to be a determined effort to get more advanced SR and LR GBAD radars and new significantly longer ranged SAMs to go with them. We really need a primary radar system to give us a first hand picture of our own airspace.ArmChairCivvy wrote:What's this future ' interceptor'? Leasing Gripens (as the deliveries of the new one to the Swedish AF will start), or taking the Typhoons off the Austrian unenthusiastic hands as they don't seem to be able to support such a small fleet effectively ( a little bit of help from the RAF/ BAE could work wonders)?
No point just buying jets if we don't have a clue really of what's happening.
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Irish Sea probably still qualifies for this thread?Timmymagic wrote:Running effective ASW operations
We can delouse the narrow passage that leads out to the Atlantic (and the edge of the continental shelf) of nuclear subs that will have to keep moving... but what if the Ruskies have a conventional (but of AIP type) one sitting quietly on the seabed?
- so that's us; with all the resources we've put into ASW
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland ... -1.4401313Military officers raise concerns over potential use of UK-based aircraft for rescue missions
Air Corps to be excluded from future search and rescue work as service goes out to tender, The Irish Times Fri, Nov 6, 2020, 01:00
The Irish Times reports that
Reading a bit deeper it seems Irish Air Corps is actually concerned about the potential of one of its roles and thus the Corps' future viability. So perhaps rather than a bit of press anglophobia the real question is whether Ireland actually needs an air corps as part of its military?Irish officers are concerned about the intelligence implications of allowing UK-based aircraft to collect data over Ireland as they provide top cover for rescue missions.
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I'm not sure what the 'sources' are grasping at. I don't think the fixed wing SAR will have intellence capabilities. I suspect it's a roundabout way of keeping the Irish air Corp viable.
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There has been talk of new C-295 MPA to replace the C-235 and even getting Gripen to allow QRA
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The C-295 MPA's have already been budgeted for and ordered...now there have been suggestions popping up that maybe we should keep the C-235's, strip their kit out and use them for transports, buy more 295 for the same or just go get a mothballed Airbus A3XX what have you.Tempest414 wrote:There has been talk of new C-295 MPA to replace the C-235 and even getting Gripen to allow QRA