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The Armchair Soldier wrote:
Also no participation in international exercises or missions until the entire unit is reformed.
The KSK had "become partially independent" from the chain of command, with a "toxic leadership culture", Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer told the Sueddeutsche Zeitung newspaper.

That meant it "cannot continue to exist in its present form".
My guess is the KSM will be tasked to take on more of the weight now.

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Confirmation of the order for the Captor-E AESA radar for all Germany's Tranche 2 and 3 Eurofighter Typhoons.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... rce=Eloqua

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Rheinmetall have held firing trials for the 130mm tank gun...on a chally II.... :crazy:



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muttbutt wrote:Rheinmetall have held firing trials for the 130mm tank gun...on a chally II....
That is some beast :mrgreen: :crazy:

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Are we up for getting it or pie in sky no cash ? Not been following it really

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PZH 2000

I am keen to learn the typical - say German - organisation and equipment levels of a battery of these. Am interested in the firing unit numbers, replenishment and support vehicles and a estimate of personnel.

Also what would the battery have to hand in terms of ammunition load and what would be the normal organisation of resupply be ?

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@ WRW
PZH 2000

I am keen to learn the typical - say German - organisation and equipment levels of a battery of these. Am interested in the firing unit numbers, replenishment and support vehicles and a estimate of personnel.

Also what would the battery have to hand in terms of ammunition load and what would be the normal organisation of resupply be ?
Then I suggest you contact the German MOD for details. https://www.bmvg.de/de/kontakt

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much appreciated

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First Steel Cut For German Navy’s Third K130 Batch 2 Corvette ‘Karlsruhe’
A steel cutting ceremony took place on July 28 at German Naval Yards Kiel for the third K130 Batch 2 Corvette for the Germany Navy. The ceremony was low key because of the current health crisis.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... karlsruhe/

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German Navy Starts At-Sea Tests Of SKELDAR V-200 VTOL UAV Aboard K130 Corvette
The German Navy (Deutsche Marine) has just started at-sea tests of the SKELDAR V200 vertical take off and landing (VTOL) unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) aboard first-in-class K130 corvette "Braunschweig".
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -corvette/

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C.G. Haenel MK556 Wins German Army Tender to Replace G36

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/202 ... successor/

The Bundeswehr's love affair with Heckler & Koch seems to have come to an end.

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Looks like there is much life left still in the SH-based airframes and the German acquisition might not be as short-term a fix as is often postulated:

"Oct. 21 (UPI) -- Boeing has received a $30 million U.S. Navy contract will demonstrate advanced missile technologies for use on F/A-18 Super Hornet fighter planes, the company said.

Boeing and the Navy's Air Warfare Center Weapons Division will develop the Supersonic Propulsion Enabled Advanced Ramjet, or SPEAR, flight demonstrator, with a first flight scheduled for 2022.

The contract comes after the Department of Defense sought information to help the Navy determine technical requirements of future carrier-based land and sea strike weapons systems, a Boeing statement on Tuesday said."
- the deliveries of SHs & Growlers will be well past 2022
... just that this SPEAR did not receive a number; must be well above ;) 3

So the escorts for the deep strike force might not use just EW means against GBAD and opposing fighters, but also shoot the latter down from distance. What that distance might be, compared to e.g. Meteor gets to be an interesting question - might be a while before we will get to know?
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So they are dusting off the files from the now long defunct programme to develop a successor to the AIM-64 Phoenix for the F-14.

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err, who is 'they'?
ArmChairCivvy wrote:the Navy's Air Warfare Center Weapons Division will develop the Supersonic Propulsion Enabled Advanced Ramjet, or SPEAR
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The Group you just quoted. They managed the previous programme back in the 1980s and early 1990s.

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Lord Jim wrote: AIM-64 Phoenix for the F-14
Heh-he, the good old 80s, when it was raining MIGs:
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/former- ... k-missile/
... the other side had not heard of BVR and could not understand why their fine fighter a/c were blowing up :D
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Bit of a turn up, looks like Thales has won the 1.5 billion Euro contract to supply the combat system for the Germans new Mks 180 frigates.

https://www.reuters.com/article/thales- ... NL1N2I32RV

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Take some off that " 1.5 billion-euro contract to build combat systems for four " and you get well over a bn in £
... as that is for 4 and we are getting Thales on 5 T-31s, so we are back to almost that euros figure, but in GBP - assuming that we are not putting a budget version on them.

Does not leave much for the hulls and everything else?
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More details:

Thales To Supply Tacticos And AWWS For German Navy’s Future MKS 180 Frigates
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According to Thales representative, this is the third largest contract ever awarded to the company (following the Rafale contract with India five years ago and the French FREMM contract a decade ago). 70% of the work will be conducted in Germany and the remaining 30% in the Netherlands.

The first ship of the MKS 180 class will be operational in 2028. The entire program will run for over ten years. There is an option for two more frigates.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -frigates/

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A good documentary for German TV on the state of the German Military from a mainly German perspective. It is good to know we are not alone in have issues with modernisation and equipment levels.

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Looks like the German's are increasingly taking Anti Surface Warfare seriously...RBS15 Mk.3 on surface vessels, and Marte-ER on NH-90.


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Germany And The Netherlands Joining Forces For F-124 / LCF Frigate Replacement
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Germany and the Netherlands have signed an agreement yesterday to work jointly on a next generation frigate which will replace the German Navy Sachsen-class (F124) and the Royal Netherlands Navy De Zeven Provinciën-class (LCF) frigates.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... placement/

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Interestingly the first batch of PUMA IFVs are to be accelerated to the status that all will reach 'in due course'. The target for this batch is 2021-23; details below

In the design version VJTF, developments are preferred that are only planned for later in the series as part of a consolidated retrofit planning. To improve leadership skills, the total of 41 Puma will receive new daytime and thermal imaging cameras as well as color displays. Thanks to the optimized day and night vision, the reconnaissance range is increased and the crew is given an extended field of vision. Closely linked to this is the “Chassis visualization improvement”, the development of which has already started. New digital radio equipment and the standardized battle management system “TacNet” will form the basis for communication between the Puma crew and the dismounted tank grenadiers, the neighboring armored personnel carriers and the next higher command levels.

The firepower of the 30mm airburst cannon and the coaxial machine gun is expanded by armoring the multi-role light guided missile system (MELLS) from EuroSpike. This gives the pumas a considerable increase in their ability. In addition, the order includes the complete logistical supply of the VJTF Pumas over a period of five years. This includes spare parts and special tools as well as spare parts logistics.

Is MELLS something we already know of, but with a different name?
The extract above is from https://esut.de/en/2020/11/meldungen/23 ... es-heeres/
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Interesting article backing up what we already know. The German Army is making progress but is doing so slowly at present. Things are said to be accelerating but it will still be some time until units will be able to be classified as fully capable and not relying on kit being transferred from elsewhere to bring individual units up to full readiness.

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German parliament has approved the funds to kit out the army's Leo II's with the Rafael Trophy APS

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/land ... protectio/

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